Why is there so much stress and anger in this forum?

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koranged
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koranged  

This forum is a fantastic resource for programmers of all levels, from beginners looking to plug the gaps in their understanding to the adept who may still require help themselves from time to time. 

Unfortunately, there seems to be a lingering feeling of anger and frustration from the regulars and I am interested in understanding why (hence the post).

I understand that from time to time, lazy questions can be asked on here that would only take a couple of minutes of Googling to discover by oneself. However, for the most part, questions and discussions on here seem to be directed towards gaining a better understanding of the software and increasing productivity and efficiency. So why the stress?

If you understand a concept that somebody else doesn't then power to you. But if somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out, then why should one feel anything but pleasure in pointing them in the right direction and helping to plug their gaps of understanding? Why is helping another considered a chore? 

There appears to be a feeling of contempt from those in the know towards those who are new and need to ask questions. This mentality seems backwards. If you harbour such feelings, then I think the best future course of action would be to stop posting/replying on here. If you are a moderator and you hate it... just stop, life is too short!

Otherwise, let us all strive to help each other and make each other better programmers/traders rather than continuing to spread the mist of misery that hangs above this place on the daily!

Good luck to all.

Eleni Anna Branou
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Eleni Anna Branou  
koranged:

This forum is a fantastic resource for programmers of all levels, from beginners looking to plug the gaps in their understanding to the adept who may still require help themselves from time to time. 

Unfortunately, there seems to be a lingering feeling of anger and frustration from the regulars and I am interested in understanding why (hence the post).

I understand that from time to time, lazy questions can be asked on here that would only take a couple of minutes of Googling to discover by oneself. However, for the most part, questions and discussions on here seem to be directed towards gaining a better understanding of the software and increasing productivity and efficiency. So why the stress?

If you understand a concept that somebody else doesn't then power to you. But if somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out, then why should one feel anything but pleasure in pointing them in the right direction and helping to plug their gaps of understanding? Why is helping another considered a chore? 

There appears to be a feeling of contempt from those in the know towards those who are new and need to ask questions. This mentality seems backwards. If you harbour such feelings, then I think the best future course of action would be to stop posting/replying on here. If you are a moderator and you hate it... just stop, life is too short!

Otherwise, let us all strive to help each other and make each other better programmers/traders rather than continuing to spread the mist of misery that hangs above this place on the daily!

Good luck to all.

The answer is in this remark of yours 'But if somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out'. The problem is that rarely 'somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out'. Most of the time they type a question, without having done the slightest search here in MQL5.com or online in general. 

That's why some of the 'regulars' or moderators are having an attitude from time to time. They are tired of answering the same questions over and over again, day after day and they are frustrated by people who want everything easy on their plate. Also have in mind that moderator is not a paid job, so we are all giving valuble time from our busy day to help the members in this forum the best we can.

koranged
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koranged  
Eleni Anna Branou:

The answer is in this remark of yours 'But if somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out'. The problem is that rarely 'somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out'. Most of the time they type a question, without having done the slightest search here in MQL5.com or online in general. 

That's why some of the 'regulars' or moderators are having an attitude from time to time. They are tired of answering the same questions over and over again, day after day and they are frustrated by people who want everything easy on their plate. Also have in mind that moderator is not a paid job, so we are all giving valuble time from our busy day to help the members in this forum the best we can.

Okay that is a fair answer. 

One question I would have off the back of that is why do you guys continue to moderate if you aren't being compensated for your work and are "tired of answering the same questions over and over again, day after day". That may sound like a loaded question but I am genuinely interested to know why you would carry on if you felt that way? 

One thing to add also is that though to you guys it may seem that it's a rare occurrence for somebody to be genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out, I would suggest that the vast majority of people who use this resource week by week are here to learn, not to take the piss so to speak. Maybe this can seem to be rare if you are having to deal with it all day, but from the outside looking in, it doesn't seem/feel to be that way.  

Eleni Anna Branou
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Eleni Anna Branou  
koranged:

Okay that is a fair answer. 

One question I would have off the back of that is why do you guys continue to moderate if you aren't being compensated for your work and are "tired of answering the same questions over and over again, day after day". That may sound like a loaded question but I am genuinely interested to know why you would carry on if you felt that way? 

One thing to add also is that though to you guys it may seem that it's a rare occurrence for somebody to be genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out, I would suggest that the vast majority of people who use this resource week by week are here to learn, not to take the piss so to speak. Maybe this can seem to be rare if you are having to deal with it all day, but from the outside looking in, it doesn't seem/feel to be that way.  

We moderate because we like being here and share our knowledge with newer members, but of course some of us we have other motives too, like learn from others or find a larger audience for our ventures.

I never get angry at a person who is really struggling to find something out, but believe this is rarely the case.

I have answered the same question 3 times in a day, because the 2nd and 3rd person, never bothered to check my previous answer to the same topic which is 4-5 threads behind in this forum.

Sergey Golubev
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Sergey Golubev  
koranged:

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If you understand a concept that somebody else doesn't then power to you. But if somebody is genuinely struggling and trying their hardest to figure something out, then why should one feel anything but pleasure in pointing them in the right direction and helping to plug their gaps of understanding? Why is helping another considered a chore? 

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Are you talking about yourself?
Yes, somebody but it is exceptional case ... because the newbies as the majority did not read anything, did not use the search function of the forum and do nothing ... nothing ...
And we are having repeated questions ...

To reply on some questions - I used the search function (which they do not want to use).

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How can I search for indicators and other elements in this forum?

Sergey Golubev, 2017.05.29 05:24


To search?
It is very easy: type something (what you need) in the search area (top right coprner of the page) and search.




"To get the knowledge for free for 5 minutes" is good idea in case you are having a slaves.|
But if not so - sorry: it is the community ...

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We are having same freedom here: newbies and professional coders/traders/public moderators.
So, it is the problem with communication between the users ... it is not a problem of the forum sorry.

Jox90
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Jox90  
The answer for me is "money". Money leads to greed and greed leads to anger. You have to know how to handle this or you will become weak.
Sergey Golubev
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Sergey Golubev  
koranged:

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Otherwise, let us all strive to help each other and make each other better programmers/traders rather than continuing to spread the mist of misery that hangs above this place on the daily!

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strive?
yes.
if "force people to work/help/etc for free" so sorry: 'forcing people to work/help for free' is illegal in many countries ... 

So, it is the matter of the communication skills ...

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As to newbies - 

Just for newbies (if you are new to this website for example) - it is strongly recommended to read the following articles/posts/threads - 

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1. User Memo

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How to Start with Metatrader 5

Sergey Golubev, 2016.12.30 17:26

Just some reminding about how to insert code to the post (for new users/newbies) -read here, and read whole the article:MQL5.community - User Memo

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How to Start with MT5, a summary !

Sergey Golubev, 2017.03.12 08:23

MQL5.COMMUNITY PAYMENT SYSTEM

Internal payment system was initially created in MQL5.community for payment of fees to authors of Articles. But the community's life does not stay still, and plenty of services, useful for traders and implying commodity-money relations between two parties, has emerged on the web-site since the launch of the payment system:

  • Market — A store of applications written in MQL4 and MQL5 languages.
  • Signals — Selling trade signals at a subscription fee with monitoring trade results.
  • Virtual Hosting — A native solution for twenty 24/7 failure-free operation of your MetaTrader trading terminals.
  • Freelance — A meeting point for traders and MQL4/MQL5 developers.
  • MQL5 Cloud Network — Buying and selling free computational power of Strategy Tester agents to organize distributed computing.

The most popular payment systems WebMoney and PayPal are integrated for deposit and withdrawal. U.S. dollars are used as the currency unit. Eventually we implemented other ways of depositing to MQL5.community account: these are common plastic cards (CommerceGate), handy and rapid system not requiring additional confirmation (Neteller), and a solution oriented towards users from China (Netbanx).

New Members introduction-the threadwhere you can introduce yourself

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2. How to make a search on the forum/mql5 portal

3. Summaries

3.1. How to Start with MT5, a summary ! (incl the previous thread:How to start with MetaTrader and forex, the beginning) 
    MetaTrader 4 Help - Client Terminal – User Guide 
    MetaTrader 5 Help - Trading Platform — User Manual

3.2. All (not yet) about Strategy Tester, Optimization and Cloud

3.3. ASCTREND SYSTEM summary (incl 2 good EAs)

3.4. BRAINTRADING SYSTEM HowTo

3.5. PriceChannel Parabolic system (incl 2 versions of the EA)

3.6. Market Condition Evaluation (2 EAs were created)

3.7. Ichimoku

3.8. Financial and trading videos - Table of Contents

3.9. All about Calendar tab and Macro Economic Events

3.10 All about MQL5 Wizard : create robots without programming

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4. First key article:
MetaTrader 5 - More Than You Can Imagine! 

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5. The second key article:
Limitless Opportunities with MetaTrader 5 and MQL5 

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6. How to add the broker to MT5:

6.1. MetaTrader 5 Help - Open an Account

6.2. MetaTrader 5 Android OS Help - Opening a Demo Account 

6.3. MetaTrader 5 iPhone/iPad Help - Connecting to an Account and Opening a Demo Account

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7. Signals

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8. Market

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9. MQL5 VPS for MT4/MT5

9.1. How to subscribe to VPS https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/187872#comment_4851530 

9.2. You can move your VPS subscription from one account to another 
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/172120#comment_4166892

9.3. MQL5 VPS description
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/172553#comment_4185979 

9.4. Monitor VPS 
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/188920#comment_4800677 

9.5. Synchronize - 
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/211508 

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10. Brokers

10.1. Find a Server by the Broker's Name:
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/9950/page88#comment_3981953  
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/214820

10.2. Help for beginners
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/214904

10.3. US brokers
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/12423/page500#comment_4736742

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11. Promotion:
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/9950/page88#comment_3982032  
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/9950/page88#comment_3982030  
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/9950/page88#comment_3982036  

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12. Freelance, decompilation, the rules, examples of the decompiled code:
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/203200 

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13. General rules and best pratices of the Forum

13.1. Thread with the discussion

13.2. Forum rules

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14. The thread about threadswhat's going around the forum everywhere  
Good thread if you are looking for something new and modern (and free one)

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15. MT5, mql5, mql5.com suggestions for improvement thread

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16. How to subscribe to topic or  invite a person into the topic - the thread

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17. I just downloaded MT5 I am not sure how to pull up Cryptos - the thread.

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18. Club of telepathsthe post in eng forum and the thread in rus thread. 

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19. How to host an automated trading robot on Metatrader(how to attach EA to the chart for trading)
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/238562#comment_7158340 

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20. Automatic translation feature
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/13348 

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21. How to download free Indicator and instal it on Metatrader
https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/261958

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Sergey Golubev
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Sergey Golubev  
Jox90:
The answer for me is "money". Money leads to greed and greed leads to anger. You have to know how to handle this or you will become weak.

As I understand topic starter - it is not about money.
It is about the following:

  • what you guys did for our (for your) community) for free? niothing? why?
  • what are you expecting from the same guys like you to do everything for free for you? 
  • did you read something before posting?

We are having the threads where newbies are asking - "how to attach indicator/EA to the chart?" ... anyone (any of you) explain in polite way (by images) for example during the few times in a week? no one? ...

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automated trading robot

Eleni Anna Branou, 2018.04.19 11:43

1. Open your MT4 platform.

2. Open the chart of the instrument that you want to trade with (currency, stock, commodity or index).

3. Copy the .ex4 file of your expert advisor (I believe this is what you call automated trading robot) and paste it in the: File >> Open Data Folder >> MQL4 >> Experts folder of your MT4 platform.



4. Right click on the Refresh option of your Experts Advisors folder in the MT4 Navigator window.

5. Click on the Experts Advisors folder, find the expert you've just inserted and drag it on the chart that you want to use it with.

6. A window with the Expert Advisor's setting will be opened and there you can fill all the parameters of your "robot".

7. Don't forget to tick the: Allow live trading in the Common tab of your Expert's settings.



8. Close the settings window and if you want to begin trading with your Expert Advisor, click the: Auto Trading button of your MT4 platform.




9. If you see a happy smiling face in the upper right corner of your chart, then you are OK.

10. If you want to avoid internet and power outages, it is strongly recommended to use a VPS service for your automated trading.


So, do not complain please.

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Be good to the community, and the community will be good with you.

koranged
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koranged  
Sergey Golubev:

Are you talking about yourself?
Yes, somebody but it is exceptional case ... because the newbies as the majority did not read anything, did not use the search function of the forum and do nothing ... nothing ...
And we are having repeated questions ...

To reply on some questions - I used the search function (which they do not want to use).

"To get the knowledge for free for 5 minutes" is good idea in case you are having a slaves.|
But if not so - sorry: it is the community ...

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We are having same freedom here: newbies and professional coders/traders/public moderators.
So, it is the problem with communication between the users ... it is not a problem of the forum sorry.

This is the exact sort of behaviour I am referring to. The purpose of this post was to try and gauge an understanding of how you guys actually feel and why there is hostility. There is no need to reply with such anger my friend. Just state your opinion and we can have a discussion like grown ups, there is no need to speak to me in such a negative way for simply asking an open question. You could have answered the same question with much fairer language, but unfortunately the mist of anger I referred to at the start of this post rises again. Why can't we speak to each other like adults?

koranged
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koranged  
Eleni Anna Branou:

We moderate because we like being here and share our knowledge with newer members, but of course some of us we have other motives too, like learn from others or find a larger audience for our ventures.

I never get angry at a person who is really struggling to find something out, but believe this is rarely the case.

I have answered the same question 3 times in a day, because the 2nd and 3rd person, never bothered to check my previous answer to the same topic which is 4-5 threads behind in this forum.

I understand your frustration and if you stay here to help others despite your frustrations then fair play to you. One thing also to add is that you perception may be skewed towards the negative side because things that are obvious to you (due to your experience) may not be obvious to others (due to their lack of), so this may be leading you to the conclusion that every question is a stupid question (the only stupid question is no question).

But in regards to having to answer the same question 3 times a day, I understand your frustration and will in future go to extra lengths to ensure that my question is not a duplicate before posting.

All the best.

Alain Verleyen
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Alain Verleyen  
koranged:

This is the exact sort of behaviour I am referring to. The purpose of this post was to try and gauge an understanding of how you guys actually feel and why there is hostility. There is no need to reply with such anger my friend. Just state your opinion and we can have a discussion like grown ups, there is no need to speak to me in such a negative way for simply asking an open question. You could have answered the same question with much fairer language, but unfortunately the mist of anger I referred to at the start of this post rises again. Why can't we speak to each other like adults?

I think you are perceiving something which doesn't exist here. I read Sergey's post 3 times, and I can't understand where you see "hostility" or "anger" or "negative way" ? Sergey is the most nice guy here.

Why/where did you see stress and anger at the first place to start this topic ?

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