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And your children are there...
Sergey Golubev:
I apologise for barging into the conversation, but 11 thousand roubles with public utilities already discounted (and if you have a "Khrushchev apartment", it's 3-4 thousand per month discounted) is not a businessman's pension (IE with good revenues have no such pension now, but less), but the pension of a prosecutor (or a military pension).
My point is that there are no such pensions in the regions.
And in Germany there are different pensions ...
And in general it is difficult to compare - pensions (ours and theirs) and expenses (ours and theirs).
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You just don't know it. I play chess in the yard with two grandfathers, and their pension is higher than mine. And one of them has a much higher pension, 20,000 rubles. They are both veterans, and I am not a veteran (it is determined by the length of service). The one with 20,000 r worked as a shop foreman in a factory before I retired and after I reached retirement age, he worked for 8 more years. When you continue to work at a pension there are good bonuses to the basic pension.
An acquaintance of mine emigrated to Germany and then travelled to Russia for a few more years, receiving unemployment benefits, twice or three times a year.
Another acquaintance, who had only one year of work experience after graduation, got a job as an engineer with a salary of 5,000 euros.
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You just don't know it. I play chess in the yard with two grandfathers, and their pensions are higher. And one of them has a much higher one - 20,000. They are both veterans, and I am not a veteran (this is determined by length of service). The one with the 20,000 r was working as a shop foreman in a factory before he retired and after reaching retirement age he worked for 8 more years. When you continue to work in retirement are good additions to the basic pension.
At least take an average. Otherwise you judge them by the ceiling. In the regions, salaries are the same, and not all of them, and you are talking about pensions. Do not compare those in positions of authority or with old Nords coefficients or veterans, they have these, and they deserve more. But the rank and file, even those with 30 years on the job, do not have any of those. In management at the retirement age one can work only through grafts and the already flaky pensioner takes a place where a young and energetic professional could work and a pensioner, being not that old with a good pension, could live at his own pleasure. Instead he freelances and slaves away to make his pension a little better, the top of the success.
PS. If you play chess with pensioners who have 20,000 rubles in pension, it does not mean that the pension in the country is 20 rubles. It only means that you are playing with wealthier pensioners and there are not necessarily many of them in the country.
You should at least take the average. Otherwise you are judging by the ceiling. In the regions the salaries are the same, and not all of them, and you are talking about pensions. You should not compare those who have positions or old coefficients or veterans, they have these, and they deserve more. But the rank and file, even those with 30 years on the job, have none of these. In management at the retirement age one can work only through connections and the already flaky retiree is taking a place where a young and energetic specialist could work and a retiree could live at his own pleasure while he is not so old and has a good pension. Instead he is nicking and tapping in order to have a better pension, the top of the success.
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PS. If you play chess with pensioners who have 20k pensions, it does not mean that the country has 20k pensions, it just means that you are playing with wealthier pensioners and there are not necessarily many of them in the country.
That's the thing, it's my fault, I didn't make a good cut.
If you want too much, you can get through a badly punched hole by skinning your trousers. What's stopping you?
And you hear here from a few perpetually dissatisfied and whining - oh, how bad it is in the house, oh, how everything is there (there!) Good and sweet.
So what prevents you all from just getting together and leaving the hateful place and bury your foreheads in the shining knees of the good life? WHAT?
I'm fed up. Stop whining already.
I'm putting an end to further discussion.
ZS. Of course you can answer me if you want and then I will delete posts on this topic.
If you want too much, you can get through a badly dug hole by skinning your trousers. What's stopping you?
Because you hear a few people who are always complaining and whining about how bad things are at home, and how good and nice things are over there.
So what prevents you all from just getting together and leaving the hateful place and bury your foreheads in the shining knees of the good life? WHAT?
I'm fed up. Stop whining already.
I'm putting an end to this discussion.
ZS. Of course you can answer me if you want and then I will delete posts on this topic.
If all is so good, what prevents you from enjoying life silently, in public self-indulgence - how good we are, how good we are?
If you want too much, you can get through a badly dug hole by skinning your trousers. What's stopping you?
Because you hear a few people who are always complaining and whining about how bad things are at home, and how good and nice things are over there.
So what prevents you all from just getting together and leaving the hateful place and bury your foreheads in the shining knees of the good life? WHAT?
I'm fed up. Enough with the whining already.
I'm putting an end to this discussion.
ZS. Of course you can answer me if you want and then I will delete posts on this subject.
Homeland isn't just for those who are happy with the way things are. But for those who aren't either. Why don't those who are happy with things go away? The dissatisfied also have the right to live in a country led by people they want to see in power. Why should I leave? In general, lots of people have already left, what's the use. And this hatred is not toward a specific place and the culture of that place, but toward those who and what does it turn into.