Interesting and Humour - page 3889

 
George Merts:

How should I know? It's not the Chinese around me, I'm not talking about them... I mean our people... My parents at my age lived noticeably worse than I did. For a minimum pension of 18 rubles in the USSR you could buy noticeably less goods than you can buy for a minimum pension of 5 rubles now...

Cars are out of the question... A new Zhiguli Kopeck in the 70s cost 5,600. "The Third was 8,000 and change. "Sixth was 10 a penny. And the average wage was around 150 roubles.

There is a film called "Where is Nofalet" from 1987, and it says very well that for a leading design bureau engineer, a salary of 200 roubles is quite good. Compare that with the salaries and prices of cars today.


If they lowered the price of cars, that doesn't mean that life has improved. You have had the prices of food, housing and utilities, and healthcare raised. The most important points of your expenditure.

It is a pity you do not understand these elementary things.

 
George Merts:

Where is the "overdoing it"? Meat has gone back to what it was before, bread has gone down. Which suggests that the consumption structure has become richer, and that people are working more easily.

A man cannot eat more than he has in his stomach. And that volume was reached back in the 70s. It simply cannot grow any further. But it can decrease - due to greater diversity (which is a measure of the standard of living).

That's a stubborn lie!

1991 - 2015

milk = 387 - 239

eggs = 297 - 269

fish = 20,4 - 14

meat = 75 - 73

That said, the 2015 figures are a rise of almost 50% since 1997!

 
George Merts:

Who could have reformed at that time? Everybody wanted freedom!

It was the hardworking Chinese who remained loyal to the Communist Party, and the Communist Party had enough administrative resources for reform.

In our country - the party compromised itself, and lost real power ... So we had to take the path of destruction.

And who instigated it? Gorbachev, before him we lived in peace. And Kosygin tried to reform, but Brezhnev wouldn't let him. Gorbachev came and everything started to fall apart. If someone else had come along, things could have been different. And all that was needed was, without breaking the political system fundamentally, to introduce freedom of enterprise and reduce the share of the state in the service sector, industry and agriculture.
 
Uladzimir Izerski:

If you have had your car prices reduced, that does not mean that life has improved. You've had the prices of food, utilities and health care raised. The most important points of your expenses.

It's a shame you don't understand these basic things.

Actually the list is much richer than that:

Taken away:

  • Free education, including higher education.
  • free health care.
  • free housing
  • paltry utility bills
  • paid holidays
  • standardised working hours
  • paid maternity leave
  • free preschool
  • very high security

...

And maybe most important of all: a guaranteed right to work

 
СанСаныч Фоменко:


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And maybe most importantly: the guaranteed right to work

Now this I would say is a moot point. This guaranteed right has been abused by many. There have been bums and drunks who have moved from one job to another all the time. The absence of a guaranteed right encourages people to value their jobs and work with integrity. In addition, when there is competition for a job, there is an incentive to keep one's qualifications and educational level up.
 
George Merts:

What do you mean, "Didn't get it"?

Go ahead and work - any factory needs a lot of people to work... It's a piece of cake to find a job for 10-12k a month... But no one wants to work... Everyone wants to earn 50-100 rubles for less than 10 rubles... These sentiments are clearly not those of workers but of factory owners...


Seriously? In a factory for 10-12k?

 
СанСаныч Фоменко:

Actually, the list is much richer than that:

Taken away:

  • free education, including higher education
  • free health care
  • free housing
  • paltry utility bills
  • paid holidays
  • standardised working hours
  • paid maternity leave
  • free preschool
  • very high security

...

And maybe most important of all: a guaranteed right to work


All true. And that's not a complete list of losses.

In the states, for example, no one is cutting social security packages, for that would result in serious societal problems. Although they are closer than ever.

 
СанСаныч Фоменко:

Actually, the list is much richer than that:

Taken away:

  • free education, including higher education
  • free health care
  • free housing
  • paltry utility bills
  • paid holidays
  • standardised working hours
  • paid maternity leave
  • free preschool
  • very high security

...

And maybe most important of all: a guaranteed right to work


Just give him a time machine and let him go on building communism.

 
khorosh:
That, I would say, is a moot point. This guaranteed right has been abused by many. There have been loafers and drunkards who were constantly moving from one job to another. The absence of a guaranteed right encourages people to value their jobs and work with integrity. In addition, when there is competition for a job, there is an incentive to keep one's qualifications and educational level up.

If the right to work is not guaranteed, then:

  • a person never starts working at all. In Spain, up to 50% of young people
  • a person gets used to living on welfare
  • a person is thrown out on the street not just to compete for a place, for a qualification. A person is often thrown out of life. And a person who loses his job after 50 is ALWAYS thrown out of life.

And for what? For the enrichment of the same 5% of the population.


The right to work must be guaranteed, especially for young people. But you raise a completely different issue: what to do with idiots.

 
transcendreamer:

Just give him a time machine and let him keep building communism.


Did you consciously scribble your post?

I think socialism and the dream of "communism" are the right direction in the development of society.

The return to capitalism is a serious mistake, and this mistake will lead to the degradation of society in the region.

Going back to capitalism is an even worse course for society. We are waiting for further shocks.

Reason: