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СанСаныч Фоменко:

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...wanting to understand how it was possible to increase production 8.5 times in 10 years, how it was possible to increase arms production 80 times, how it was possible to teach literacy to half of the country's population.... And all this was done without "partners", without "foreign investors", without a "favourable investment climate".

How?

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The figures are of course impressive - the volume of production by a factor of 8, and implements by a factor of 80. And how in fact - you should have studied history in school for 20-30 - the years of active electrification. But here someone will be disappointed - Lenin did not invent the light bulb, nor did he invent the electric generator.

 
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And you will not disturb other people, who want to understand the essence of what was happening in the 30s, who want to understand how it was possible to increase production 8.5 times in 10 years, how they managed to increase arms production 80 times, how they managed to teach literacy to half the population of the country.... And all this was done without "partners", without "foreign investors", without a "favourable investment climate".

How?

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A few years ago on Quartet you were spouting the same nonsense.

To this I gave you materials that the entire Stalinist industrialisation of the 30s was carried out by Americans and Europeans - the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Stationwas built by the American Cooper Engineering Company and the German Siemens.

Thatthe Gorky Automobile Plant (GAZ) was built by the American company Austin.

The AZLK was built by Ford engineers.

Magnitka is an exact replica of the steel mill in Gary, Indiana.

Albert Kahn Inc alone designed and built 500 Soviet factories.

That in just 10 years the Americans built almost 1,500 plants and factories in the USSR.

That 200,000 American engineers and technicians came to the USSR and built things that Stalin was then proud of for years.

And that all these factories were built by the hands of Gulag convicts.

And that all these factories were paid for by the starving peasants of the USSR, who had all their bread sold abroad and all this industrialization had been bought with this money.


You crawled away then, waited and started kamlalaising this again - there is no point to it all, you hear nothing because you don't want to hear.

Walking in circles

 
Дмитрий:

A few years ago on Quartet you were spouting the same nonsense.

To this I gave you the material that the entire Stalinist industrialisation of the 30s was carried out by Americans and Europeans - the Dneprogeswas built by the American Cooper Engineering Company and the German Siemens company.

Thatthe Gorky Automobile Plant (GAZ) was built by the American company Austin.

The AZLK was built by Ford engineers.

Magnitka is an exact replica of the steel mill in Gary, Indiana.

Albert Kahn Inc alone designed and built 500 Soviet factories.

That in just 10 years the Americans built almost 1,500 plants and factories in the USSR.

That 200,000 American engineers and technicians came to the USSR and built things that Stalin was then proud of for years.

And that all these factories were built by the hands of Gulag convicts.

And that all these factories were paid for by the starving peasants of the USSR, who had all their bread sold abroad and all this industrialization had been bought with this money.


You crawled away then, waited and started kamlalaising this again - there is no point to it all, you hear nothing because you don't want to hear.

Going around in circles.


So what? They were hired and paid money, so they designed it for money, not for free. Do americans do anything for free?

And as for "starving to death" - the reasons are different.

 
Andrey Dik:


So what? They were hired and paid money, so they designed it for money, not for free. Do the Amerians do anything for free at all?

And as for "starving to death" - the reasons are different.


Do they at least do something for a living?

 
Dmitry Fedoseev :

They at least somehow make them at least something for life

For life? Not for life, but for the enrichment of 1% of the total population, the rest of the population are consumers and walking machines with ears making money for 1%. In the United States there is a stele where it says "125 million people should live on earth, the rest are superfluous."

The Indians, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Hiroshima, the Philippines, Korea, Vietnam ... For what kind of life are millions and millions of people on the planet being destroyed?


US CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

The United States is a country in which legal slavery existed until the end of the 19th century, with most Protestant evangelical churches teaching that this was a divinely established order ("slaves obey your masters"), but the Catholic Church supported abolitionists in many ways. The USA is a country where segregation also existed legally until almost the 1960s (and again, the first schools where co-education was allowed were Catholic). The United States is the country that caused the largest humanitarian disaster in history in Hiroshima - people are still dying from radiation sickness. This is a country that unleashed a bloody massacre in Vietnam, Granada.

This is a country that sticks its nose into the affairs of the whole world, with absolutely impunity. Pope John Paul II asked Clinton to end the blockade of Cuba. But the pseudo-evangelical Clinton doesn’t care that people are dying because of his policies – as long as the Yankees continue to fill their fat wallets at the expense of the suffering of others, reassuring themselves that they have taken five steps to salvation, according to the Baptist instructions, and paradise is guaranteed to them. Although ... "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle."

The United States is an organized crime group on a global scale. What is the difference / similarity between the state and the mafia. Mafia groups of people live at the expense of all kinds of violations of the laws and the elimination of competitors. Criminal gangs counterfeit currency (the US has been issuing unsecured dollars for a long time), have militants who eliminate competitors, opponents and objectionable. As you know, the United States ignores international laws and eliminates competitors around the world by any means, up to the use of nuclear weapons.

Thus, the President of the United States is just the head of a criminal group called the United States. US crimes are innumerable. The author selected the most typical of them and the terrible ones committed against civilians.

Iraq
The US has recognized war crimes, now the question is, when will Bush sit on the bench of the international tribunal?
After a macabre documentary about the storming of the Iraqi city of Fallujah, aired on Italian TV channel RAI, the Pentagon had to admit the use of white phosphorus as a deadly weapon, not just for lighting.
White phosphorus is a poison that, when it hits the body, literally burns the skin and flesh to the bone. The use of such “lighting” bombs against civilians violates the 1980 UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.

The RAI TV channel showed a film about the aftermath of Operation Ghost Fury, the nighttime assault on Fallujah in November 2004. At night, the sky above the city was colored with hundreds of phosphorus shells. 12,000 Americans and 3,000 Iraqi soldiers took part in the storming of Fallujah. Immediately after the attack, which was not reported by any of the Western journalists, there were rumors that the Americans had used chemical weapons against the city.

Film Fallujah. The Secret Slaughter provides what its authors believe is irrefutable evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77s, an improved form of napalm used by US forces in Vietnam, were also used in Fallujah.

For a long time the US denied these facts. In December, the US government officially labeled the reports as a "common myth." "Some reports claim that US troops are using 'illegal' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the Usinfo website said. - Phosphorus shells are not prohibited. American troops use them very rarely in Fallujah for lighting purposes.

But after the appearance of terrible documentary footage, the Pentagon had to reconsider this position. The US military acknowledged that phosphorus bombs and shells were used not only for illumination, but also to destroy manpower. However, according to Pentagon spokesman Barry Venable, phosphorus "was not used against civilians."

However, interviews and photos taken by Italian journalists cast doubt on the last statement. A former American soldier who fought in Fallujah told a reporter, “I heard the order to be careful because white phosphorus is going to be used against Fallujah. Phosphorus burns the body, it dissolves the flesh to the bone. I saw the burnt bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Everything within a radius of 150 meters is the end.”

Photos on the channel's website www.ranews24.it show what the former soldier is talking about. Dozens of high-quality close-up color photographs provided by the Human Rights Research Center in Fallujah show the bodies of the city's residents, whose clothes were intact, but whose skin had been dissolved or turned into an animal skin by shelling.
Fallujah biologist Mohamed Tarek, who was interviewed for the film, says: “Fiery rain fell on the city, people, hit by this multi-colored substance, began to burn. We found the dead with unusual injuries: the bodies were burned, and the clothes remained intact.”

Reference: white phosphorus
White phosphorus is used to equip aviation bombs, aviation cluster munitions, artillery shells, mines, and also in mixtures. When such ammunition explodes, phosphorus is crushed into pieces, which ignite spontaneously in air, forming a cloud of white smoke.
White phosphorus is also used as a smoke-forming and incendiary substance, it oxidizes vigorously on contact with air and ignites spontaneously in air. During combustion, phosphoric anhydride (P2O5) is formed, which, with air moisture, forms white smoke from the smallest droplets of phosphoric acids. During the combustion of white phosphorus, a temperature of about 100 degrees C develops. The density of white phosphorus is 1.828 g / cm3, the melting point is 44.14 ° C.
When a solution consisting of 20 parts by weight of phosphorus and 1 part by weight of carbon disulfide is sprayed, the latter quickly evaporates, and the phosphorus remaining in a finely divided state ignites and sets fire to all combustible objects on which it has fallen.
A characteristic sign of phosphorus burns is a peculiar garlic smell, glow in the dark, if the crust is broken, the wound begins to smoke (luminous and smoking wounds).
Convictions: The United States and war crimes?
Note Based on materials from the Party of Regions website: http://www.partyofregions.org.ua/contrprop/resonance/44322153892cd/

Three days before Operation Iraqi Freedom began, The New York Times reported that the Bush administration "named nine senior Iraqi leaders, including Saddam Hussein and his two sons, to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity after the American war." with Iraq."

US war crimes are rarely mentioned (in the US media), but let's compare the track record of unconvicted US war criminals with those who paid the ultimate price for their brutality. Of the 185 Nazis tried at Nuremberg, only 24 were sentenced to death. Among them was the German high governor in Holland, who opened the floodgates to slow down the advance of the Allied forces. Approximately 500,000 acres were flooded and the result was widespread famine. Less than a decade later, the US Air Force bombed dams during the Korean War to flood North Korea's rice fields, in a plan that was supposed to lead to "starvation and slow death." During the Vietnam War, bombing of South Vietnam's dams was commonplace. Our history books teach that "defeated war criminals must be brought to justice." The most important word here is "defeated", because only the losers go to trial. The highest-ranking defendant at Nuremberg, Hermann Goering, said simply: "Winners will always be judges, defendants will always be defeated." Another accused Nazi asked publicly: “What about Dresden? How about Hiroshima?"

But the Germans and the Japanese lost in 1945 (as the Serbs lost in 1999). The undeniable crimes of these and other criminal authorities have been documented elsewhere and some of the perpetrators have been punished. Those war planners who belonged to the victorious side sat in court. General Curtis Le May, commander of the 1945 Tokyo bombing that killed 672,000 Japanese, understood this well. “If I had lost this war, I would have been tried as a war criminal,” he said. "Fortunately, we won." So far, the US has always won and therefore has not had to bear the responsibility for more than two centuries of its own atrocities ... mostly against civilians.

Civilians die in wars, everyone knows this, but not all of them are just “collateral losses”. In many cases, especially when an invasion triggers guerrilla warfare, civilians are turned into enemies and dealt with accordingly. This is prohibited by the Geneva Convention. Article 50 states: In case of doubt as to whether a person is a civilian, he shall be considered a civilian... The civilian population and individuals must be protected against the dangers of military action... Indiscriminate attacks are also prohibited." In addition, the Nuremberg Principles define "crimes against humanity" as follows: "Murder, annihilation, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts against any civilian population." Examples of American killings of civilians could fill volumes. Let us dwell on the example of three Asian countries.

Philippines
After the Spanish-American War (Philippines was a Spanish colony), the US began a brutal war of conquest against the Filipinos. In 1900, more than 75,000 American soldiers—three-quarters of the entire American army—were sent to the Philippines. In the face of overwhelming US military superiority, the Filipinos turned to guerrilla tactics. On February 5, 1901, an article in the New York World reported something about the US response: “Our soldiers have begun to take terrible measures against the natives. Captains and lieutenants become judges, sheriffs and executioners. "Send me no more prisoners to Manila!" - such was the verbal order of the Governor-General three months ago. It has become customary to avenge the death of an American soldier by burning down all the houses and killing suspicious natives right and left.

In the eerie anticipation of the Vietnamese villages, the Filipino peasants were herded into concentration camps called "reconcentrados" (around the same time, British troops invented concentration camps in South Africa - but since the victims there were white - Boers, this story became much more famous). Captured Filipino soldiers and civilians were subjected to "water procedures". According to the Philippine-American War Centenary Initiative, they were “made to swallow four to five gallons (15 to 18 liters) of water, so that their bodies turned into something terrible, and then they were kneeled on their stomachs.

This continued until the amigo began to speak or died. And if these amigos fought back, the US was ready. When an American platoon was destroyed in an ambush, Brigadier General Jacob W. Smith, a veteran of the massacre at Wounded Knee (Indian massacre), ordered "everyone from the age of 10 to be killed." “The whole neighborhood should turn into a desert,” Smith said. “I don’t want prisoners, I want you to kill and burn, and the more you kill and burn, the happier I will be. I want to kill everyone who can bear arms in the war against the United States."

“The slaughter of Mei Lai was done earlier in the Philippines in 1906,” writes Howard Zinn. “The American army attacked 600 members of the Moro tribe in the southern Philippines - men, women, children, living in the most primitive conditions that did not have modern weapons. The American army attacked them with modern weapons, destroyed them all to one, men, women, children. The commander in charge of this "operation" received a telegram of congratulations from President Theodore Roosevelt (Mark Twain branded this massacre).

Korea
“On summer nights, when the breeze blows, I can still hear their screams, the cries of little children,” said Edward Daly. This Korean War veteran spoke of the massacre of hundreds of refugees, mostly women, children and old people, at No Gan Ri in Korea on July 26-29, 1950. According to the testimonies of survivors and relatives of the victims,” writes Norm Dixon in Green Left Weekly, “After a surprise US Air Force raid that killed about 100 peasants evicted from their village by American soldiers, 300 others, almost all women, children and old people, took refuge under a bridge in narrow ditch." “The massacre at No Gan Ri, a village 100 miles south of Seoul, is famous in South Korea,” adds journalist Esther Galen, “but pro-American dictators have suppressed any protest or investigation.”

This case came to light when veterans of the US First Cavalry Division told the Associated Press in 1999. Veterans of No Gun Ri told the AP that Capt. Melbourne S. Chandler, “after a radio conversation with the commander, ordered the machine gunners to move in and open fire under the bridge. The command claimed that among the refugees there were "infiltrated unwanted elements." Chandler told the soldiers, “To hell with all these people. Let's get rid of them."

The survivors spoke about their experiences. Rak Hee-Sook was 16 years old in 1950, she said: “I still hear the groans of women dying in pools of blood. Children cried and clung to their dead mothers." Jang Chun-ja, then 12 years old, said that American soldiers "dug trenches in the hills" from where they could shoot at civilians. "American soldiers played with our lives like children play with flies," Chang said. "The US Army Complaint Service told the AP that there was no evidence of a First Cavalry Division in the area," Dixon writes. “AP journalists, using maps from declassified documents, confirmed that the battalions of this division were there at the indicated time.”

The AP investigation uncovered other US war crimes against Korean civilians. “August 3, 1950,” Galen reported, “an American general and other officers ordered the destruction of two bridges over which refugees were moving, killing hundreds of them. (as in Yugoslavia) One bridge was across the Naktong River at Waegwan.” On the same day, 7,000 pounds of explosives (about 3 tons) were used to destroy an iron bridge crowded with "women and children, old men and carts pulled by buffaloes."

“These two incidents were not aberrations or the result of exceptional circumstances, but were typical examples of the entire US intervention in Korea from 1950 to 1953, one of the bloodiest chapters in US history,” writes Galen. An untried war criminal, Commander of the US Air Force in Korea, General Curtis Le May, agreed with this definition, boasting that US aircraft "killed as many as twenty percent of the population of Korea as direct casualties of the war, or by starvation and cold."

Vietnam
“In all my years in the army, I was never taught that communists are people,” said Lieutenant William Colley. “We were there to destroy an ideology whose bearers were – I don’t know – pawns, pieces of meat. I was there to destroy communism. We never thought about people, men, women, children, babies.” It was March 16, 1968. “Under the command of Lieutenant William L. Colley, the soldiers of the US 11th Infantry Division received “vague orders” from their commander, Captain Ernest Medina, to “clear the village,” explains historian Kenneth S. Davies.

In Mei Lai they found only women, children and old people... no weapons, no traces of enemy soldiers. Colley ordered the villagers killed and their huts destroyed. Women and girls were raped before being machine-gunned. Hundreds of villagers died.

When the truth about the massacre eventually became known, Henry Kissinger sent a note to White House Chief of Staff H. R. Haldeman: "The cat is out of the bag and I recommend keeping the President and the White House out of this story." Nixon, for his part, blamed the New York Times, which he called "those filthy rotten New York Jews," for publishing the story. Perhaps what infuriated the White House was best summed up by Colonel Olaf Henderson, accused of covering up the crime, who explained in 1971: "Every unit has its Mei Lai hidden somewhere."

“This was not the only crime against civilians in Vietnam,” Davis said. "It was common for an American soldier to use a Zippo lighter to set an entire village on fire." Indeed, Mei Lai was no exception. On the same day that Lieutenant Colley condemned his infamy, another unit of US troops entered Mae Khe (neighboring village) and killed at least 90 peasants. One veteran Mei Khe later said, "What we did was done everywhere." (Lt. Colley was convicted and later pardoned by Nixon)

In his book Nuremberg and Vietnam: An American Tragedy, Telford Taylor, senior U.S. prosecutor at Nuremberg, suggested that General William Westermoreland and others in the Johnson government could be found guilty of war crimes on Nuremberg grounds.
What is described in this article is not hidden (except for the mountains of lies and propaganda) by the guilty. Anyone armed with an Internet search engine or a library catalog can draft a strong indictment against US war crimes. Washington is well aware of this, which is why the US refused to sign the agreement on the newly established International Criminal Court (ICC).

Founded on the basis of the Rome Agreement on the International Criminal Court on July 17, 1998, the ICC is "the first ever permanent, treaty-based international criminal court organized to promote the rule of law and ensure that the worst international crimes do not go unpunished."

The US is not too happy, and Human Rights Watch explains why: “The Bush administration is trying to negotiate bilateral immunity with numerous countries around the world. The purpose of this is to ensure impunity for US military and civilians before the ICC.” The need to protect soldiers is the usual US excuse for not signing the agreement, but "an unnamed senior official" quoted by The New York Times on September 7, 2002, gives the real reason: "Soldiers are like capillaries, the very top is President Bush, ministers and Powell is our main concern.”

The current undersecretary of foreign affairs for arms control and international security, John Bolton, explained the US position in 1998. “Much of the media attention to the US position has focused on the risk, from the Pentagon's point of view, to US peacekeepers (!) stationed around the globe. But our main concern should be the president and his senior advisers. The definition of "war crimes" includes, for example: "the deliberate attack on the civilian population or individual civilians not directly participating in hostilities."

Of course, war crimes can be made to evaporate. On April 6, 2003, the New York Times reported that the US had drawn up a plan for the complete "demilitarization" of the Iraqi entity. “Iraqi textbooks, for example, for sixth graders, glorify Iraqi weapons and military power and call the US the enemy,” write David B. Ottaway and Joe Stevens in all seriousness, before explaining that the Bush administration expects to “carry out a complete revision of the textbooks that teach a whole generation Iraqis to be ready to die for Saddam Hussein."

Later in the article, we learn that the US Agency for International Development is about to award "education-related contracts worth approximately $65 million" to Washington State-based Creative Associates International, the author of a similar "educational reform" in Afghanistan. “Among the most important, they were taught to bear arms and always be ready to fight their enemies,” said former National Defense University (US Army) professor Phoebe Marr, apparently without a trace of a smile. “The definition of a nation and the identification of each is closely related to the army… In all texts, you are expected to be ready to fight in defense of your country.” Just imagine...

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I read the first three lines and my nose started to bleed....

Can we not talk about war crimes?

Because you could take the last three years and not a country as far away as the US, but one as close - and there is a lot there.

 

Can we talk about something kind, family-oriented?

USA, 1967, the Supreme Court overturned the ban on inter-racial marriage that existed in 16 out of 50 states. (In South Africa, by comparison, it was overturned sometime in the 1980s.)

Isn't it great?

 
Дмитрий:

I read the first three lines and my nose started to bleed....

Can we not talk about war crimes?

Because you could take the last three years and not a country as far away as the US, but one as close - and there's a lot there.

Don't f*ck with me. The US is a country that has never had anything but small local wars, and can only attack the weak, wreak havoc and destruction, and then profit from selling arms and food to these countries, forcing them to sing to their tune. Why do they not fart towards Russia or China? Are you too shy? But provocations and other "petty" nasties are always welcome.

Are you referring to Ukraine? - The U.S. has nothing to do with it, it is Russia's fault? - They sold out for "lace panties" and now let them clean up their own mess and pay 3 times the price of coal to the same americans.

 
Andrey Dik:

For life? Not for living, but for enriching the 1% of the population, the rest of the population are consumers and walking machines with ears making money for the 1%. The US has a stele that says "there should be 125 million people living on earth, the rest are surplus".

The Ideans, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Hiroshima, the Philippines, Korea, Vietnam... For what kind of life are millions and millions of people destroyed all over the planet?

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Write for yourself, you don't have to do this kind of trivia on five screens.

I didn't know I was in the 1% of the population)) But I didn't mean just money.

What kind of stele is this one? - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Скрижали_Джорджии

Hiroshima would be a shame to say - they helped end the Soviet-Japanese war.

Korea. What's wrong with South Korea? What, there's a lot wrong with North Korea, I know, but you mean South Korea? Is the North okay?

Afghanistan. It was the US that helped defeat the Taliban regime in the early 2000s.

Yugoslavia... I gave you a link to an interesting film called "The Land of Honey and Blood".

Vietnam - wrote here recently - Soviet communists covered up the local population, but looking at the borders of Vietnam and its neighbours, some thoughts arise.

What about the Philippines - don't know

 
Andrey Dik:

...sold out for "lace pants"...

It's up to them what kind of panties they wear.
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