Requests & Ideas - page 106

camisa
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camisa  
mladen:
Flytox

Here you go

It is a standalone indicator now (it does not need the centered triangular moving average indicator any more) which brings me to a warning : as it is an indicator based centered it can and will recalculate last max(Period1,Period2) bars. So be careful how you use it (as for one, recalculating indicators may be very good for manual trading but for EA it is a living hell - tried making an EA on recalculating indicators and it really is a living hell and will not give the expected results when automated. Recalculating indicator need our (people) mind as a decisive element)

regards

Mladen

so it repaints/recalcultes, right?

Mladen Rakic
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Mladen Rakic  

camisa

Yes, centered TMA recalculates. In my experience more in times of turns (when the price is trending in some direction very little, but when there are sudden changes, then it will change those half bars back) It is very similar to SSA in that and whenever some indicator is derived from them, the new indicator is inheriting that "behavior" too

regards

Mladen

camisa:
so it repaints/recalcultes, right?
camisa
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camisa  
mladen:
In my experience more in times of turns (when the price is trending in some direction very little, but when there are sudden changes, then it will change those half bars back) It is very similar to SSA in that and whenever some indicator is derived from them, the new indicator is inheriting that "behavior" too

thanks, just checking beforehand so I don't waste any time with it...

Mladen Rakic
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Mladen Rakic  

It depends what are you looking for ...

I am sure that pip (who made that indicator in the first place) was after cycles estimate and not signals. If you use recalculating indicators in signaling mode (when they change a slope, for example) then you are risking a lot.

But, if you use it like an estimate of how long the cycles are and that way as an estimate for how long will a current phase (trend) keep the way it is doing currently, then you are almost sure on a good side (that is the main reason we are looking for cycles in time series data - to discover the "rhythm" of the market movers and the way how the "pump in the money" in order to keep the move in the way they want it - it is a game of cat and mouse : we (mice) can only watch what the cats do and try to ride with them )

camisa:
thanks, just checking beforehand so I don't waste any time with it...
camisa
587
camisa  
mladen:
It depends what are you looking for ...

I am sure that pip (who made that indicator in the first place) was after cycles estimate and not signals. If you use recalculating indicators in signaling mode (when they change a slope, for example) then you are risking a lot.

But, if you use it like an estimate of how long the cycles are and that way as an estimate for how long will a current phase (trend) keep the way it is doing currently, then you are almost sure on a good side (that is the main reason we are looking for cycles in time series data - to discover the "rhythm" of the market movers and the way how the "pump in the money" in order to keep the move in the way they want it - it is a game of cat and mouse : we (mice) can only watch what the cats do and try to ride with them )

yes, some people care for cycle estimates

I don't and I don't buy that idea that "they" pump the money, that there are cats and mouses... I think there is only one cat: the market as a whole and the rest is just mice, some bigger, some smaller; some big mice may sometimes think they are cats, but the market soon teaches them their place in the chain

and for me cycle theory is always out of sync with the market, tough some may find it usefull for some timing decisions, not me

Mladen Rakic
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Mladen Rakic  
There is an old saying from India, and it goes like this :
"When I was young I thought that I was an elephant in the jungle, now that I am old I know that I am a mouse in the jungle"
camisa
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camisa  
mladen:
There is an old saying from India, and it goes like this :
"When I was young I thought that I was an elephant in the jungle, now that I am old I know that I am a mouse in the jungle"

so true......

Abdalla Doleh
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Abdalla Doleh  
mladen:
It depends what are you looking for ...

I am sure that pip (who made that indicator in the first place) was after cycles estimate and not signals. If you use recalculating indicators in signaling mode (when they change a slope, for example) then you are risking a lot.

But, if you use it like an estimate of how long the cycles are and that way as an estimate for how long will a current phase (trend) keep the way it is doing currently, then you are almost sure on a good side (that is the main reason we are looking for cycles in time series data - to discover the "rhythm" of the market movers and the way how the "pump in the money" in order to keep the move in the way they want it - it is a game of cat and mouse : we (mice) can only watch what the cats do and try to ride with them )

Dear Flytox and Camisa,

The Dynamic Cycle Explorer, as accurately described by Mladen above, is only for VISUAL cycle estimation and for the sole purpose of qualifying cycles generated by G Browser, it is not intended to provide trading signals. Personally i find it very useful. Thanks for upgrading it M

Cheers,

Pip

SIMBA
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SIMBA  
Pip:
Dear Flytox and Camisa,

The Dynamic Cycle Explorer, as accurately described by Mladen above, is only for VISUAL cycle estimation and for the sole purpose of qualifying cycles generated by G Browser, it is not intended to provide trading signals. Personally i find it very useful. Thanks for upgrading it M

Cheers,

Pip

I find the DCE extremely useful for visual estimation,even more than Goertzel.

I find Goertzel,with all our efforts in developing what is probably the best and more multicolored version in the trading universe...v5.53, stills lacks something to focus it.

I agree with camisa that in our current state of affairs,cycle based indicators like Goertzel browser are not useful for trading,so,either we throw Goertzel to the trash bin or we take the necessary steps to improve it( Bartels,linking to user decided starting point,and a couple of things I privately mentioned to Mladen),and if we chose to invest our time in developing it,we may be aware that the end result may still not be enough for trading.

For the sake of disclosure,most of my actual cycle trading is done using band pass FIR filters(those I use do not repaint/recalculate) and NONE is done using Goertzel.

I am not going to disclose the specifics of proprietary trading information,but I am going to give a concentrated summary of several years trading with cycles(and price action,SR,etc)....I discovered a couple of years ago, doing EAs-for testing parameters-that EAs based on FIR bandpass filters ALWAYS-as in 101%-got better results when optimized,compared to optimized EAS that used Goertzel-yes,I had Goertzel indicators in my hands years ago,and a few hints of me here and there,plus the exceptional coding ability of Mladen and Mr Tools have helped you have them too-So,before you cry "optimized"? Think of this as motor testing,if I have 2 kinds of motors,let´s say injection and carburator,and systematically injection is giving me better testing results in term of Horsepower and comsumption,it is clear where I have to focus my new motor development for the races...this doesn´t guarantee I am going to win the races,but helps a lot

Abdalla Doleh
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Abdalla Doleh  
SIMBA:
I find the DCE extremely useful for visual estimation,even more than Goertzel.

I find Goertzel,with all our efforts in developing what is probably the best and more multicolored version in the trading universe...v5.53, stills lacks something to focus it.

I agree with camisa that in our current state of affairs,cycle based indicators like Goertzel browser are not useful for trading,so,either we throw Goertzel to the trash bin or we take the necessary steps to improve it( Bartels,linking to user decided starting point,and a couple of things I privately mentioned to Mladen),and if we chose to invest our time in developing it,we may be aware that the end result may still not be enough for trading.

For the sake of disclosure,most of my actual cycle trading is done using band pass FIR filters(those I use do not repaint/recalculate) and NONE is done using Goertzel.

I am not going to disclose the specifics of proprietary trading information,but I am going to give a concentrated summary of several years trading with cycles(and price action,SR,etc)....I discovered a couple of years ago, doing EAs-for testing parameters-that EAs based on FIR bandpass filters ALWAYS-as in 101%-got better results when optimized,compared to optimized EAS that used Goertzel-yes,I had Goertzel indicators in my hands years ago,and a few hints of me here and there,plus the exceptional coding ability of Mladen and Mr Tools have helped you have them too-So,before you cry "optimized"? Think of this as motor testing,if I have 2 kinds of motors,let´s say injection and carburator,and systematically injection is giving me better testing results in term of Horsepower and comsumption,it is clear where I have to focus my new motor development for the races...this doesn´t guarantee I am going to win the races,but helps a lot

Thank you for sharing some golden nuggets

...but i do agree with your statement (and suggestions) that G Browser still needs some more work.

Cheers,

Pip