Signal rankings are a joke

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Alok Dandekar
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Alok Dandekar  

The MT4 signal rankings are a complete joke. Currently the #1 signal "Small to Big Money" has lost 45% this month. LOL

You guys seriously need to re-evaluate your ranking criteria. 

Manuel Joos
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Manuel Joos  
Alok Dandekar:

The MT4 signal rankings are a complete joke. Currently the #1 signal "Small to Big Money" has lost 45% this month. LOL

You guys seriously need to re-evaluate your ranking criteria. 


Are the ranking criterias transparent? I would like to know them...
Alok Dandekar
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Alok Dandekar  
Manuel Joos:

Are the ranking criterias transparent? I would like to know them...

They wont say what is involved in the ranking system. They probably flip coins or something equally stupid.
Eleni Anna Branou
Moderator
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Eleni Anna Branou  

I am making 3 suggestions to MQL5 officials, in order to make the signals system more transparent:

1. Not to allow signals that haven't been connected to MQL5 database from the very beginning. That way we won't have signals with nice long history and "fake" drawdown because they've just been connected to MQL5 system.

2. To reject/stop signals that they make deposits when they are in a difficult position (high drawdown) in order to save their account, something that is against their subscribers, since it forces them to close or reduce their open copied positions.

3. To disqualify temporarily from the ranking system signals with a loss greater than 30% in the last month. The same rule applies now for signals with floating drawdown higher than 30%.

Any other suggestions are welcomed.

Meng Yin Teoh
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Meng Yin Teoh  

I'll bet that balance growth has a heavy weight in their ranking formula. This number is completely misleading because the signal providers can hold their floating losses indefinitely until margin call. The only purpose of this statistic is to attract newbies to subscribe to the signal.


Here are my suggestions to improve the system:

1. Minimum initial deposit should be at least usd1000.

2. Growth should be marked to market. Use equity growth instead of balance growth.

3. Martingale/Grids should be prohibited.

Keith Watford
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Keith Watford  
Alok Dandekar:

The MT4 signal rankings are a complete joke. Currently the #1 signal "Small to Big Money" has lost 45% this month. LOL

You guys seriously need to re-evaluate your ranking criteria. 

We are users and nothing to do with the inner workings of metaquotes. You should contact the service desk with any suggestions.
Eleni Anna Branou
Moderator
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Eleni Anna Branou  
Meng Yin Teoh:

I'll bet that balance growth has a heavy weight in their ranking formula. This number is completely misleading because the signal providers can hold their floating losses indefinitely until margin call. The only purpose of this statistic is to attract newbies to subscribe to the signal.


Here are my suggestions to improve the system:

1. Minimum initial deposit should be at least usd1000.

2. Growth should be marked to market. Use equity growth instead of balance growth.

3. Martingale/Grids should be prohibited.

I have the following remarks on your suggestions:

1. I don't think that the $1000 threashold makes a signal good or bad, I have seen good and profitable signals with less than $1000 starting balance or even using a cent account and on the other hand I've seen scams with $10.000 or more. A good and profitable strategy should work whetever the balance.

2. That's a nice suggestion, since signals with high long-lasting drawdowns do not record those in the equity graph, only on the balance graph.

3. The system that someone uses in order to make profits, shouldn't be a reason for prohibition, I don't like or use these systems either, but I have seen them used with proper money management quite successful (very rarely though). I wouldn't be so dogmatic about them, I think its the subscriber's decision to choose them or not.

Eleni Anna Branou
Moderator
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Eleni Anna Branou  
Zee Zhou Ma:

I think there should be an utility to allow users to export all the signals so that users can do sorting on their own with each criteria.


As for prohibition of signals, I think everyone has a reason why they will trade a particular way when they have reached a drawdown.


No one will know they will turn martingale or grid until a drawdown happens. I know some use zone recovery ea.

It is like knowing a boyfriend or girlfriend who turns out to be a love scammer. You will not know until you have been on a relationship with the person.

That is probably why there is a review column.

Possibly add good review count, and bad review count into the ranking criteria.


It should be up to users to reject signals on their own after they rank the signals.

Reviews are another joke of the signals system, some of them are genuine and really helpful, but others are the work of competitors who subscribe for a day or two, leave a negative review and unsubscribe. I have seen it happening very often.
Grigorios Papaioannou
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Grigorios Papaioannou  
This is the common problem of all those systems, they work well for a period but then something happens and they lose everything, I have seen in in <Removed> as well, people trust their their money in systems that are tested in demo accounts or system testers which has nothing to do with the reality. Thats why in my main system i use <Removed> which had 3pips spreads, i bet no system that claims to work here would do well in such an environment, most systems here in high ranks as well just use a no commission ECN account with 0.1-0.2 pips spreads and make some nice compounding profit which are never duplicated in real time trading, thats why you see many complains in the reviews later on...
Eleni Anna Branou
Moderator
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Eleni Anna Branou  
Alok Dandekar:

The MT4 signal rankings are a complete joke. Currently the #1 signal "Small to Big Money" has lost 45% this month. LOL

You guys seriously need to re-evaluate your ranking criteria. 


The specific ranking problem you mentioned, has been corrected as I can see.
Eleni Anna Branou
Moderator
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Eleni Anna Branou  
Grigorios Papaioannou:
This is the common problem of all those systems, they work well for a period but then something happens and they lose everything, I have seen in in <Removed> as well, people trust their their money in systems that are tested in demo accounts or system testers which has nothing to do with the reality. Thats why in my main system i use <Removed> which had 3pips spreads, i bet no system that claims to work here would do well in such an environment, most systems here in high ranks as well just use a no commission ECN account with 0.1-0.2 pips spreads and make some nice compounding profit which are never duplicated in real time trading, thats why you see many complains in the reviews later on...

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