Big player tricks
Retail Traders
Hello Everybody
Since I think that it is very important to know, how the big players take the money out of our pockets, and how to avoid it, I will post here screenshots and explanations from engineered moves from the big players in the eur/usd pair. For me it is very interesting, because when you know how they play, you can make big profits of it. Maybe you guys can profit from it to. There are explanations and everything, but to learn from it, you must have seen it live. So have a look. Its harder to see if you only see the history chart and not the action live.
So have a look at the picture number one 5 Min chart eur/usd from today
Number zero you see the last low
Number one is the start of the engineered move. The big player starts and the crowd selling and gets momentum from us who want to be in the move to (I have to mention that before that, a harmonic pattern has formed, so this move was to expect, there was a lot of momentum. Then, a little above the low of the harmonic pattern (number zero you take the profit there usually), the big player places a huge buylimit order. He has to do it there because in normal conditions, this huge buy order would put the price very high, but in a down rally it just stops the rally. Maybe after this order is triggered, he places some more buystop orders a little bit higher. He buys huge amounts of the pair. What looks like a normal pullback in the beginning, changes to a strong impulse due to the buying of the big player (see number two). He needs to buy more during the up rally (stoplosses which are triggered) The big player is now in the perfect position. He bought a lot for a very cheap price, and startet a up rally. The crowd sees the up rally, which comes out of the nothing and everybody want to be in it, so they buy. The rally gets a lot of momentum because of these buyers. Then in the end you see a breakout fade. On the 60 min chart (picture 2) you see the resistance line which was broken. The idea behind this is, the big player needs people to sell to, if he would sell that huge amount in normal market conditions, the price would drop to far, he couldnt sell everything. So now he has buyers which want to be in the rally and he also has buyers which expect a further rally after the breakout. Enough fools to sell to. You see it in number three. The volume is still very high due to the selling of the big player, but the price doesnt rise anymore.
So what can we do against it? There are 2 possibilities. first i have to say if you see on a history chart its very hard to tell. When you see it live on a chart, you can tell because the market moves to fast and not natural. It needs training to tell. First is, if you are short in the market and you see that the pullback comes to fast and to strong, you simply close the trade and go long, or stay out. Second and i dont do this because ita quite dangerous, set the stoploss very loose.
I was in the market when this happend (I tradet the gartley) with a live account, but i realized to late and i had to close the trade break even. i could have closed it in the mini pullback which occured in the engineered uprally, but i realized to late 
I hope this is helpful to you guys.
EDIT: The picture fade.png shows what happens after the fade breakout...Do you really think retail traders (you and me) have any effect on the market??
Why should i think that retail traders (as individual) have any effect on the market? Only the big players have deep enough pockets to move the market. We just follow.
Why should i think that retail traders (as individual) have any effect on the market? Only the big players have deep enough pockets to move the market. We just follow.
Good I didn't get that from your post. Thanks for clearing it up.
Thank you, i wanted to do this, but i need 10 posts 
. Here is a little description about big players which can move the market:
EDIT: Now i have 10 posts
The forex market is the biggest financial market in the world by trading volume. Every day currencies valued at approximately 3 trillion dollars are traded. This means that a trade of one million dollars is not even scratching the total daily volume of the forex market. A volume so big is created by many traders and institutions, each of them with a different intention.
Central banks are big players in the forex market. The purpose of central banks, like the Federal Bank of the United States, is to keep the economy and currency of their country stable. They do it with the interest rate decision and trading the currency market. Most central banks are active traders in the forex market, mainly to stabilize their currency and have a sufficient foreign currency reserve if the need for it ever arises.
Commercial banks are the main part of the forex market. These banks carry out the trades by other traders. This action requires them to exchange currencies with one another according to their clients' needs. The commercial banks also trade currencies for their own profit and speculation. When banks believe that one currency will rise over the other, they perform the appropriate trade to make sure they profit from it. Since commercial banks control most of the money in the world, they are the one of the biggest parts of the forex market.
Importers and exporters are also a crucial part of the forex market. Since these companies work with countries other than their own, they also work in different currencies around the world. Their main activity in the forex market is to exchange money from their currency to their client's currency and vice versa. They also use the currency market to "lock" an exchange rate and guarantee a certain profit. This is done to avoid the impact of fluctuations in exchange rates and guarantee a future profit.
Private speculators, including private citizens, hedge funds, and other non-regulated or little-regulated institutions also make up a big volume of the forex market. Usually they are not trading to do international business or stabilize an economy, but rather to make a profit for themselves or their clients. Their trades are being carried by commercial banks.
As you can see, there are many players in the forex market, and that number is just growing every day. You can also be a part of this market and profit from it. To do that, you need the best forex broker out there and a good forex trading system to help you, and you can start trading.
Hello Everybody
Since I think that it is very important to know, how the big players take the money out of our pockets, and how to avoid it, I will post here screenshots and explanations from engineered moves from the big players in the eur/usd pair. For me it is very interesting, because when you know how they play, you can make big profits of it. Maybe you guys can profit from it to. There are explanations and everything, but to learn from it, you must have seen it live. So have a look. Its harder to see if you only see the history chart and not the action live.
So have a look at the 5 Min chart eur/usd from today
.first please don't take my reply as negative ... i am just giving my view regarding your post above.. first the whole idea of big player/small player is wrong.. market would move where the money is as simple as that ,, you mentioned then harmonic patterns ... there is no pattern in this world which will tell you in high percentage a certain move will happen so talking even about it when you are referring of big players/small players doesn't make any sense imho. Technical Analysis is about historical prices that means we are talking about probabilities if that is correct then showing charts is wrong again imho ( in regards to title of this thread).. If my above assumption is correct then this thread is all wrong... I love technical analysis but not to differentiate big players / small players but to only point out a certain probable pattern that occur having high winning trades etc. There is no reason to think a big player is moving the market instead it is more productive to think a market is moving in a direction and how to be part of it ... Technical analysis can help there but nothing is certain hence we need to keep a probable scenerio not big player small player details..
-- i might have wrote more then needed anyways nice day!
-Guyver
first please don't take my reply as negative ... i am just giving my view regarding your post above.. first the whole idea of big player/small player is wrong.. market would move where the money is as simple as that ,, you mentioned then harmonic patterns ... there is no pattern in this world which will tell you in high percentage a certain move will happen so talking even about it when you are referring of big players/small players doesn't make any sense imho. Technical Analysis is about historical prices that means we are talking about probabilities if that is correct then showing charts is wrong again imho ( in regards to title of this thread).. If my above assumption is correct then this thread is all wrong... I love technical analysis but not to differentiate big players / small players but to only point out a certain probable pattern that occur having high winning trades etc. There is no reason to think a big player is moving the market instead it is more productive to think a market is moving in a direction and how to be part of it ... Technical analysis can help there but nothing is certain hence we need to keep a probable scenerio not big player small player details..
-- i might have wrote more then needed anyways nice day!
Guyver,
you are totaly wrong.
Big players are moving the market.
I remember, few years ago, was 2:10 PM NY time,
no news , no expectation, nothing...
China started selling US$ and buying Euro, crasy market.
US$ follow down 200-300 points.
How long you are in this business?
I'm over 15 years.
Same happened with Russian guvernement.
If Vladimir Putin is your friend you will be millionaire...today.
Bongo
P.S.
My motto;
Follow the big one!!!
If Bank of America start selling, sell too!
you could put some TEXT in MT4 chart , like AA, BB , then refer to it in your TEXT, so we know what rally (roller coaster up and down) that you are talking about -- easier to follow this way
of course, only our SL can affect the market, if people get trick with micro little trend and put SL in 1 direction, broker will move the market the other way to Swallow more retails SL i.e. unless your direction become the directives of big brokers, we can't affect the market
hard to avoid it
just like people with poor public exam result, if people lost in forex, they won't say much, but I think the losing retailers could be in the percentile of 80 to 95% -- casino owner always win (the house)
the only way to have a slim chance to win, is to turn our disadvantage (i.e. those thing that make us entry or our SL get swallow) turn it into our advantage -- you have to figure out how
in conclusion , he is saying
in normal conditions, this huge buy order would put the price very high, but in a down rally it just stops the rally
--
to stop bleeding of downfall, big market mover just have to buy a lot at low
then when he buy a lot, price start to stop falling and rise a bit, and people join in (up)
so the big market mover will SELL, while the price maintain HIGH, as it got enough retail bait to BUY the uptrend
-------
for daily overall win or overall loss
we deducted the expected pip spread cost of the day
--- if FOREX is a FAIR GAME, we should have around 50% win , 50% loss
but in reality, hard to win, it just say something about when to trade, how many transaction per day
regarding above observation -- another way, is to avoid the U-turn , both up and down
wait for a good TIME of the day to enter the market, when the play is more fair, i.e. when the BIG MARKET MOVERS do not participate actively - that could be better timing for us
== technical and charting is always correct, but LIVE is more sudden and abrupt and full of surprises
Guyver,
you are totaly wrong.
Big players are moving the market.
I remember, few years ago, was 2:10 PM NY time,
no news , no expectation, nothing...
China started selling US$ and buying Euro, crasy market.
US$ follow down 200-300 points.
How long you are in this business?
I'm over 15 years.
Same happened with Russian guvernement.
If Vladimir Putin is your friend you will be millionaire...today.
Bongo
P.S.
My motto;
Follow the big one!!!
If Bank of America start selling, sell too!We can talk later about how long i am in this business first can you post which website you used to translate my post above ,.. next time don't use that one try another you will understand posts better
-Guvyer
We can talk later about how long i am in this business first can you post which website you used to translate my post above ,.. next time don't use that one try another you will understand posts better -Guvyer
You are good programmer but not trader...
HOW TO -- follow the big market mover -- they won't tell you , they are going to trick you
Yes, they will not tell you, they are looking have to make money for them selfs.
But... you can get these infos from Reuters... for ONLY $25,000 a month,
a MONTH. (Only which bank is selling or buying!)
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Hello Everybody
Since I think that it is very important to know, how the big players take the money out of our pockets, and how to avoid it, I will post here screenshots and explanations from engineered moves from the big players in the eur/usd pair. For me it is very interesting, because when you know how they play, you can make big profits of it. Maybe you guys can profit from it to. There are explanations and everything, but to learn from it, you must have seen it live. So have a look. Its harder to see if you only see the history chart and not the action live.
So have a look at the 5 Min chart eur/usd from today
5 Min Chart:
60 Min Chart:
Breakout fade:
Have a look at the 5 min chart.
Number 0 you see the last low
1 is the start of the engineered move. The big player and the crowd start selling. There is a lot of momentum in the move (I have to mention that before that, a harmonic pattern has formed, so this move was to expect. Then, a little above the low of the harmonic pattern (see 0. you take the profit there usually), the big player places a huge buylimit order. He has to do it there because in normal conditions, this huge buy order would put the price very high, but in a down rally it just stops the rally. Maybe after this order is triggered, he places some more buystop orders a little bit higher. He buys huge amounts of the pair. What looks like a normal pullback in the beginning, changes to a strong impulse due to the buying of the big player (see 2). He needs to buy more during the up rally (stoplosses which are triggered) The big player is now in the perfect position. He bought a lot for a very cheap price, and startet a up rally. The crowd sees the up rally, which comes out of the nothing and everybody want to be in it, so they buy. The rally gets a lot of momentum because of these buyers. Then in the end you see a breakout fade. On the 60 min chart you see the resistance line which was broken. The idea behind this is, the big player needs people to sell to, if he would sell that huge amount in normal market conditions, the price would drop to far, he couldnt sell everything. So now he has buyers which want to be in the rally and he also has buyers which expect a further rally after the breakout. Enough fools to sell to. You see it on the 5 min chart number 3. The volume is still very high due to the selling of the big player, but the price doesnt rise anymore.
So what can we do against it? There are 2 possibilities. first i have to say if you see on a history chart its very hard to tell. When you see it live on a chart, you can tell because the market moves to fast and not natural. It needs training to tell. First is, if you are short in the market and you see that the pullback comes to fast and to strong, you simply close the trade and go long, or stay out. Second and i dont do this because ita quite dangerous, set the stoploss very loose.
I was in the market when this happend (I tradet the gartley) with a live account, but i realized to late and i had to close the trade break even. i could have closed it in the mini pullback which occured in the engineered uprally, but i realized to late
I hope this is helpful to you guys.
EDIT: The picture fade.png shows what happens after the fade breakout...
You also can trade the breakout fade, to get some nice profits.