Neural Networks

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Sergey Golubev
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Sergey Golubev  

I tried to move some posts and threads to this one concerning the subject about Neural Networks. Just to spen some development up and keep everything in one place.

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GMDH is known also as Polynomial Neural Networks, Abductive and Statistical Learning Networks.

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review.pdf 273 kb
taminghope
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taminghope  

Sentiment

I personally feel that in order for us to create a truly robust Trading System we need to think outside the box. I also feel that we need to develop new tools rather than try to optimize old methods.

It is amazing to see everyone here work so hard at building systems and for the benefit of all.

I guess that's why I stopped lurking and would like to contribute.

A few things I have been interested in and have been working on.

Spectral Analysis. I have some software to create digital filters of raw price action.

Neural Networks: cool but still boggles my mind.

Market Sentiment: ideas in PDF's Attached

Is anyone interested in brainstorming?

taminghope
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taminghope  

I think I will start with a lagging digital filter on the 30 minute euro.

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juanchoc
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juanchoc  

Neural Network Indicators Development

Hi!

Im trying to make some neural network indicators for metatrader4, and would like some sugestions, mostly regarding inputs and outputs of the net, and maybe the structure or type of net that you consider the best for this application.

As far as in know the best outputs for financial series forecasting, are price range forcasting, tops or bottoms forecasting, and that tipe of things. Forecasting directly the price (open, close) doesnt get good results because to numerous reasons, for example a little shift on the time between the open time and the close time could change their values considerately.

If anyone has a sugestion i'll be glad to listen to it and try it.

By the way, im no expert neural network programmer, i just have a good overall idea on the subject =P.

Thanks in advance,

JCC

prasxz
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prasxz  

Nn

juanchoc:
Hi!

Im trying to make some neural network indicators for metatrader4, and would like some sugestions, mostly regarding inputs and outputs of the net, and maybe the structure or type of net that you consider the best for this application.

As far as in know the best outputs for financial series forecasting, are price range forcasting, tops or bottoms forecasting, and that tipe of things. Forecasting directly the price (open, close) doesnt get good results because to numerous reasons, for example a little shift on the time between the open time and the close time could change their values considerately.

If anyone has a sugestion i'll be glad to listen to it and try it.

By the way, im no expert neural network programmer, i just have a good overall idea on the subject =P.

Thanks in advance,

JCC

Hi,

NN is my thesis couple years ago...but almost forgotten now

This idea can refresh my mind again...I think NN based on pattern recognition using backpropagation is good for forex data mining...

I'm prefer using high low data to feed the NN in order to predict the next daily range data..

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juanchoc
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juanchoc  

Hi prasxz!

Nice to see im not alone here

I also think using high and low is much better than using open or close, to be truth i dont really like the open and close values for intraday analisis, as they seem rather inestable values if you make a displacement on when you place your start point.

Median price also looks good, but i prefer high/low as the information loss in less.

I'll probably use a moving average of the high and one of the low. I've found the JMA to be a really good filter in comparison to regular MAs so i'll do my first tests using a short period JMA without phase changes to avoid distorsion.

So far the inputs im considering for predicting future ranges are:

- JMA of High + JMA of Low.

- JMA of Volume.

- ATR.

- Date (Day of Month, ex. Monday, Thuesday...).

The other idea i have in mind is to use NN to forecast news events direction.

I have a quite big database of forex fundamentals since some years, so i may use those as inputs.

As for what type of neural network to use, im still doing some research, backpropagation NNs are the common standard for NNs, but there are others that seem to have very good results, like the time lagged recurrent networks (but they are hard to train and understand). Other idea i had, was to use a Fukushima NN, those are mainly made for image processing, but with some modifications i think they could be used for pattern recognition on timeseries.

Tommy
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Tommy  

Neural Networks

Is anyone here using Neural Networks for pattern recognition with Metatrader, and if so, are there any indicators? I think this woudl be a great tool for providing independant confirmation with our standard indicators and systems.

thanks

adrazz
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adrazz  
Cyclesurfer:
Is anyone here using Neural Networks for pattern recognition with Metatrader, and if so, are there any indicators? I think this woudl be a great tool for providing independant confirmation with our standard indicators and systems. thanks

Now that would be usefull, don't think I have ever seen one.

Sergey Golubev
Moderator
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Sergey Golubev  
Cyclesurfer:
Is anyone here using Neural Networks for pattern recognition with Metatrader, and if so, are there any indicators? I think this woudl be a great tool for providing independant confirmation with our standard indicators and systems. thanks

If you are talking about MetaTrader so I remember some development about 1 year ago on some Russian forum (i remember development but don't remember which forum and where). They were developing some Neural Networks indicators for MT3 and MT4. All the indicators with library files were posted for free on their forum as preliminary versions (for testing).

But they stopped the development or came to commercial development ...

I will try to find some preliminary indicators inside my computer.

newt
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newt  
newdigital:
If you are talking about MetaTrader so I remember some development about 1 year ago on some Russian forum (i remember development but don't remember which forum and where). They were developing some Neural Networks indicators for MT3 and MT4. All the indicators with library files were posted for free on their forum as preliminary versions (for testing).

But they stopped the development or came to commercial development ...

I will try to find some preliminary indicators inside my computer.

great

Sergey Golubev
Moderator
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Sergey Golubev  

I found it on the other forum here http://forexsystems.ru/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=47

It is the thread where people are developing Neural Networks indicator for MT4. In Russian language, sorry.

- they started with some e-books and articles;

- then some library files for Delphi 4 (NeuralBase, Neural Network Wizard, GeneBase, SOMBase, WavUtils);

- then they coded many versions of indicator NeuroProba.mql4 (author is Rosh);

- then they tested it and found many bugs and mistakes in calculation.

This thread is not closed yet and seems they are continuing to development (it is necessary to register on their forum to see the attachments).

Besides I found this link about Neural Networks (in English).