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By the way... When I started (and continue to this day) to study MQL5, the first question that came to me was "where to start?" This comment https://www.mql5.com/ru/forum/2443#comment_31427 helped me a lot.
Maybe you should really make a "Welcome article" on how to start your way in learning MQL5 ...
But if you don't make efforts to learn, no super method of learning, no huge amount of methodical and structured material will help you....
The problem has no solution. Why - I explained and repeated several times. And I even pointed out that we had done what was requested: collecting materials and cataloguing them.
The whole world is puzzling over how to teach schoolchildren and students with a huge amount of prepared methodological and structured material, while getting an increasingly illiterate generation.
And you give ridiculous recipes "it's all about structure!". Think further and you will realise where the root of the problem is. At the same time you will stop deceiving yourself and playing with superficial desires.
The reasons for an increasingly illiterate generation are simple and well known:
- lack of healthy lifestyle: smoking, beer, alcohol, drug addiction; shopping and entertainment centres instead of Children's and Youth Sports Schools, Pioneer Houses, Libraries;
- lack of productive goals: consumer society is being cultivated - the slogan "enough work - it's time to earn" is being cultivated;
- fragmentary kaleidoscopic education;
- open society;
- chrematistics instead of economics.
The problem has a solution and there is a practical experience of such a solution - the Soviet experience.
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And on your site MK daily lose newcomers because they simply can not understand the abundance of material without a putoditel.
To make such statements you need to see the statistics of attendance, namely such indicators as:
papaklass:
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And further consider them as lazy people who are not able to study the material like tol64 9 months. IMHO.
And what makes you think that others are not able to study or learn the material for 9 months? It is available to everyone. People sometimes are not even aware of their abilities. ))
In fact, even nutrition (what and how much) plays a role. For example, those who like to eat "full" will have a harder time learning and for much longer than those who control themselves and don't waste precious energy digesting. ))
In order not to be misunderstood, I will repeat once again - we have implemented structuring and preparation of materials a long time ago. Evaluate the amount of work we have done before accusing us of lacking primitive steps. All these steps have long been implemented.
For those who have forgotten, the education system in the USSR was the best in the world! And it was recognised by the whole world.
That's for sure! To prove your words, there was a programme on TV: our guys bought up half of Prague and Karlovy Vary completely. In those cities, according to TV, the Russian language is now spoken exclusively. And unlike in '68, everything is legal! However, I suspect that these guys went to school about the same way I did. And those who ate everything that was sold at the time in all seriousness now complain that the state "does not help them enough".
Naive and populist. Go and train a small group with such idealistic approaches in practice, then we will laugh together.
Well, I will add a couple of phrases so that you, Renat, can switch from laughter to laughter.
Unlike you, I have no experience of distance learning and experience of conferences, i.e. experience of training with poor feedback in terms of assimilation of material - it is most likely not the experience of training, but the experience of informing.
But I do have experience in face-to-face individual training and group training - and enough to be amazed at the understanding of the pathetic situation.
A training group of 20-30 people - diverse in goals and objectives in terms of "why it is necessary" is conditionally divided into:
- a) capable of learning (the word "learn"="teach "+"self" and translates as "teach yourself") - that is, capable of independent learning - 0-2 persons
- b) capable of learning with a teacher - 3-6 people
- c) capable of following instructions and then forgetting them - 10-12 people
- d) unable for various reasons (e.g. bummer) - 10-12 people.
If the group is targeted - the breakdown in numbers is different, but the group breakdown is retained.
Groups c) and d) do not care about your resource with all the articles. Therefore, we focus on a) and b).
To master some subject it is necessary to pass a certain threshold, let's call it the "moment of truth", crossing which the material begins to be learnt easily.
Group a) has long passed this "moment of truth" - the existing level of information structuring and preparation of materials is sufficient for them. This group does not need a "textbook", they need "documentation".
But group b) needs to be brought to the "moment of truth". This group is characterised by a desire to understand, but indecisiveness, uncertainty in their abilities. This group needs a "textbook" or its substitute in the form of an ordered list of literature "where to start". If the "where to start" material is sufficient, group b) moves to group a). If not enough, group b) moves to group c).
To avoid any misconceptions, I will repeat once again - we have implemented structuring and preparation of materials a long time ago. Estimate the amount of work we have done before accusing us of lacking primitive steps. All these steps have been realised long ago.
"So that you do not think wrongly, I will repeat again" - the amount of work you have done is grandiose and unique. It is about a certain orderliness called "where to start".
This orderliness of "where to start", taking into account the written volume of articles, can replace a textbook, which does not exist and is not expected yet. This ordering "where to start" is gradually emerging as a question on the forum along with the question about the textbook and Roche writes periodic lists that eventually fade into the oblivion of the forum.
It's not that hard to do. It is enough to introduce at least two or three-level thematic classification and the author of the article himself will put his article into the appropriate niche. Moreover, there is no explicit thematic classification of articles - thematic classification is implemented indirectly through "search" by keyword. This is not quite "that", as there is no orderliness in terms of "reading is recommended in sequence".
What else hurt me and made me write this post is Renat's complacency and confidence that he is the one who has the absolute truth, how it
should be right, and even more phrases like "everything is already realised". What do you mean - the ideal has been reached and there is nothing to bitch about anymore? You can consider me
lazy - but I do not want to read 100% of articles to find the grain I need in the pile ... I sat down the other day to write an EA based on object-oriented
libraries supplied with MT5. And what is the best literature on this issue turned out to be the source code of the libraries. It seems to be all there in parts - you can find a description
for each function or object, but the document that would give an understanding of the general approach, ideology laid by the creator of the library in this product - alas, I have not found.
Interconnection, hierarchy of objects - nowhere in a pile are not brought together and not drawn. I had to dig it all out of the source code, and this is not probably right.
I admit that there is such an article - but alas I did not find it. So there is still something to improve ))).
MT5 is a cool thing, but it is still raw. There is still a lot of things to do, and when from SEO quite steadily sounds between the lines that everything is cool and that you just do not
understand something, I become afraid that many necessary things will not be implemented.
I know a very successful company in the past, where the CEO thought he was equal to God. For another 3 years the company developed very well by inertia, but then...
Icarus fell, and very painfully at that. So these are just thoughts in the ear, which Renat is unlikely to hear ))). Any person, be he or she even seven eyes in the forehead, in something
yes is wrong, but to understand what exactly wrong I am always hard. That's why to say that everything is great and everything you say is rubbish is the first step to stagnation
and degradation, and I don't want to see this process, if I started working on MT5 )).
I am clearly saying that the idea that "now we are going to decompose, group and everything will be fine" is the simplest level of perception. We have already passed many levels of understanding by implementing both grouping of materials and generation and delivery to each terminal.
I am talking about higher levels of mass training of tens and hundreds of thousands of users. And there is no solution there either. Over 1.2 million new desktop Metatraders were installed last month.
For us, mass training is one of our main tasks. This is a business task, which means no economically unjustified solutions.
In response, I get some populist statements about world peace or frankly unfounded "advice".
Is there a single person who has read all 3000 pages of MQL5 documentation, terminal help, editor's help and articles?
Of course not. This is the impossibility of solving the problem of mass training.
Every second person will ask (fortunately, to himself, not in public) the question "how to do this? Why isn't there a clearly written 5 paragraph article? I'm not willing to re-read everything! You don't understand users, you are complacent!"
For our part, we are increasing the volume of materials, structuring them, delivering them before traders' eyes in terminals, building up the code library and including all this in our powerful search engine, which is also available in the terminal.
Amen.
p.s. Aures habent, et non audient ("they have ears, and will not hear").