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Let me explain my point of view, which is expressed here https://www.mql5.com/ru/forum/7186#comment_279149.
1. Let's try to define the target audience (for whom the article is written)
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You have already spent so much energy on criticism (not only in this thread) that a small republic could be heated and illuminated.
Write a better article.
I join you.
Andrei, I suggest you to write the second part of the article"William Blau's Indicators and Trading Systems in MQL5. Part 1: Indicators". It will be useful for others, and it will make you money and respect.
I join you.
You, Renat, are a provocateur. Yesterday you "joined" to the words of Roosh "Maybe then tell me point by point - in what part it is not clear and why it does not fulfil its purposes". When I made a clarification, you join MetaDriver's words: "You are talking rubbish". This position of yours is nothing but provocative acceding. It's a kindergarten. Now it is clear what you are smiling at, from your avatar with a tired smile from the mountains, and now sitting in your chair with a satisfied smile of Mavr who has done his job https://www.mql5.com/en/users/Renat.
You have created a resource, which has no equal in the Internet: neither equal on audience, nor equal on information saturation, nor equal on rates of development, nor equal on logical and thematic completeness.
But, don't fool yourself.
It was with the work on Blau's indicators that it all began (for me personally).
At first, in search of information structure and content of the article, I tried to compile a list of existing articles that would give recommendations to beginners on indicator development. Then, when trying to work on the 2nd part, I tried to compile a list of articles on wizard and on the basics of EA development.
I, personally, read these articles, as you put it, "100% indiscriminately". But I have experience and my goal is to bring the reader understanding of the material. How important it is for every author not to write an article for money, but to get readers who will find this article useful. How important it is for every author not to publish his code in the codebase but to get satisfaction from the number of downloads and from the audience who will find the code useful.
By the way, you have removed information about the number of article views.
You say that you have "a wealth of practical experience in mass education". Yes, this is evident from the power of the resource you have created. But "training experience" is different. There is the experience of distance learning, there is the experience of presentations, conferences (let's call it "experience A"). But there is also the experience of individual learning, there is the experience of training a small group (let's call it "experience B").
Experience B differs from Experience A precisely because in Experience B it is critically important how and to what extent you deliver/deliver your material. It is in experience B that you acutely feel and realise with every fiber of your being that the student simply does not understand the material you are presenting. And you feel how the student's brain is trying to understand the material, and you cannot find words to help the student. It is in experience B that you feel your hands "dropping down", your thoughts disappearing, your hope dropping, when you begin to realise that the audience does not understand you. Or when the lecture just flows joyfully, endlessly, when you feel that the material reaches the audience.
Try to say "read 100% of the material without understanding" in experience B and you will see how the student's jaw will drop under the weight of the fallen hope of ever understanding and understanding.
That's why a textbook is needed. Because life in the financial markets is fleeting. And a man is great not only in his laziness, but also in his unwillingness to get out of self-deception. Self-deception that there is a textbook, an article - having read it is enough to write an Expert Advisor and an indicator.
If there is no textbook, if there are articles that replace a textbook (and this is really true), then you need an ordered list of articles (thematic classifier). Such a classifier is everywhere and its presence is natural when the number of multi-thematic publications becomes a "book dump".
A programmer with experience understands that to learn how to write programs one should code everything in a row, read books in a row, and parse algorithms in a row. But those who are looking for a textbook or a magic article think differently. And you, having invested a lot of money in a "mass learning" project, lose and lose on the absence of a simple recommended list of articles in the "necessary" sequence.
Is it so difficult to make an orderly list of articles? Especially such lists are periodically compiled by Roche. Based on your opposition to doing it, Roche's actions are incomprehensible. Or are they? Maybe Roche is still trying to find additional incentives to attract an interested audience?
At the moment the resource is in such a degree of completion that it is possible to be engaged in education of those who doubt in their abilities. "Like air" need articles for this very audience. How many customers in the Work service are willing to make at least simple changes to their Expert Advisor/indicator on their own. This audience does not want to "read 100% indiscriminately". This audience is interested in their Expert Advisor/indicator, in their ability to not depend on delays from the developer of their Expert Advisor/indicator at least in the simplest way.
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Your next post will probably be 10 times bigger. And if the volume growth continues at the same rate, one day that flow could hurt you. The light bulb will burn out. )))
You didn't even notice that the number of views didn't go away. ))
You, Renat, are a provocateur. Yesterday you "joined" to the words of Roosh "Maybe then tell me point by point - in what part it is not clear and why it does not fulfil its goals". When I made a clarification, you join MetaDriver's words: "You are talking rubbish". This position of yours is nothing but provocative acceding. It's a kindergarten. Now it is clear what you are smiling at, from your avatar with a tired smile of satisfaction from the mountains, and now sitting in your chair with a satisfied smile of Mavr https://www.mql5.com/en/users/Renat.
In both cases I agreed knowingly.
But in your point by point response I did not see constructive and understanding of our goals.
The purpose of each article is not "one punch that closes the issue" (although that would be good too), but rather "one more piece in the mosaic of learning". It is in assembling the big picture from the pieces that our work lies.
But in your point-by-point reply I did not see any constructive and understanding of our goals.
Here you are certainly right: "He who thinks clearly - he who speaks clearly". The way you conveyed your goals is the way I understood them. As I conveyed you my understanding - so you understood me. You asked me to decipher the statement in the article - I deciphered it.
I'll leave this thread: "Barbarus hic ego sum, quia non intelligor ulli" ("I seem to be a barbarian here, because nobody understands me").
Andrei, I suggest you to write the second part of the article"William Blau's Indicators and Trading Systems in MQL5. Part 1: Indicators". It will be useful for others, and it will also give you money and respect.
I will now bow out of this thread: "Barbarus hic ego sum, quia non intelligor ulli" ("I seem to be a barbarian here, because no one understands me").
Well, well, well. Boyus, yeah."Lingua latina non penis canina." I'm down if you are.
Okay. You can't get far. ;)
Andrei, you don't strike me as a barbarian. You strike me as a neurotic, confusing analytical and critical. And I understand you perfectly well. I used to be like that myself. I still have attacks sometimes. I have gradually understood that only carefully dosed and exclusively constructive criticism (with an overwhelming predominance of constructive) has some chances to be useful. And I wish you from the bottom of my heart [to understand].
Your second opus has some common sense. Very sensible. About "experience A" and "B" quite well conveyed the idea, moreover, the idea is very plausible. There are thoughts with which I unreservedly agree, for example, "At the moment the resource is in such a degree of completion that it is possible to engage in the education of doubters in their abilities. "An organised list of articles would be helpful, that's for sure, and probably more than one.
About the textbook, it's a tired topic. Something doesn't work here. And I don't think it will. Although "You try in experience B to say "read 100% without understanding" - and you will see how the student's jaw will sag under the weight of the fallen hope to ever understand and understand." - that's true. Something like that (like a textbook) is a must.
I have some ideas, I'll put them together and write them up soon, maybe even in this thread.
Renat, so you are offered to put the "big picture" into pieces (to organise the list). So that not only you (MK staff), but also anyone who visited the site, the picture you "assemble from pieces" would be clear and accessible.
The problem is that "beginners" and "visitors" are not abstract, not round, and not in a vacuum. Hence the requirement of a great variety in the ways of explanation and delivery. The question arises: how to approach the ideal of "individual approach". This is the question we need to think about. Then perhaps something will emerge.
As a starter: a sample of "alternative navigator" for the fourth forum:
Author granit77
Taken from here: https://www.mql5.com/ru/forum/134573/page100
As an afterthought: a sample "alternative navigator" for the fourth forum:
Renat, so you are offered to put the "big picture" into pieces (to organise the list). So that not only you (MK staff), but also anyone who visited the site, the picture that you "assemble from pieces" would also be clear and accessible.
Read my explanations.
The task has no solution. Why - I explained and repeated several times. And I even pointed out that we did what was requested: both the collection of materials and their cataloguing.
The whole world is puzzling over how to teach schoolchildren and students in the presence of huge prepared methodological and structured material, while getting an increasingly illiterate generation.
And you give ridiculous recipes "it's all about structure!". Think further and you will realise where the root of the problem is. At the same time, you will stop deceiving yourself and playing with superficial desires.