Discussion of article "Alan Andrews and his methods of time series analysis" - page 2

 

Interesting case. The Metatrader programme also plays a lot of drawings. There is a huge number of people who, using Metatrader, drained their deposit.

And this is normal.

But if someone creates a tool that draws something, whether by order or just in a burst of desire to make a programme that implements someone's idea, it is nasty.....

Discuss it - don't you dare. Show the result.

The result of a programmer's work is a working programme.

Nobody criticises Metaquotes for created MT4, MT5. This terminal draws something and it is good.

But Alan Andrews, by the way his tool is placed in Metatrader, is the creator of something that has no right to exist.

It is a pity that Alan Andrews has not been able to answer to anyone for many decades now....

 
Vitaly Muzichenko #:

Well, you should have just admitted to what I've been saying for two pages.

TS works 100% if you sell it, but it doesn't work on the real market ))))


I don't know how they are trading there now. It's not my site. We parted ways with Putnik a long time ago. But many people who use Putnik's developments have told me that they can trade well.

My job was to make the programme.

 
Vitaly Muzichenko #:

Well, you should have just admitted to what I've been saying for two pages.

TS works 100% if you sell it, but it doesn't work on the real market ))))


By the way, go through your criticism of Metaquotes development.

It's no secret, there is a huge number of people who drained their deposit using Metatrader.

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Here we are discussing the Andrews Pitchfork graphical tool. And not who trades using this tool.

 
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I have a question, have all these graphical analysis gurus written about the recommended TimeFrames where their tools work? I think it is 1 day? And hence the second question for calculations they took calendar or trading days (or if intraday, then sessions or day)? Is there any mention from them on this issue? Without knowing the exact time scale suitable for calculation, it is difficult to plan, and as we know the future in MT5 takes into account calendar time, while the past - trading time....
 

Discussion of any trading system -- it is the essence of two questions:

1) how effective the trading system is
2) confirming the effectiveness with personal trading.

There are two types of developers:

-- the one who programmed someone else's trading system
-- the one who developed and programmed their own trading system.

It is reasonable to honestly say: "I programmed someone else's trading system, I do not trade on it myself and all conclusions are based on the words of its author" -- or "I programmed my own trading system, I trade on it, here is the confirmation".

Unfortunately, >99% of participants do not give two key answers: efficiency and personal trading. It is clear that without a personal trading example there is no point in talking about the effectiveness of a trading system -- it is either deliberate deception, or fraud if the system is sold.

Actually, this is what all the arguments are about.

As a suggestion, when placing an indicator or Expert Advisor in the Market, the author should answer two questions: 1) the system is developed by me/not by me, 2) I trade/not trade on the system (if the answer is "I trade", there should be confirmation of trading) - the Market publishes these answers at the very beginning of the description.

 
Aleksey Vyazmikin #:
I have a question, have all these graphical analysis gurus written about the recommended TimeFrames where their tools work? I think it is 1 day? And hence the second question for calculations they took calendar or trading days (or if intraday, then sessions or day)? Is there any mention from them on this issue? Without knowing the exact time scale suitable for calculation, it is difficult to plan, and as we know the future in MT5 takes into account calendar time, while the past - trading time....

Most often it was a day, trading days.

Although the same Demark highly recommended hourly charts for the best entries, and the same Gunn went from $100 to a plane in a day (I don't remember, something about 10000 at those times)....

And pitchforks, and Murray's system (there is my article on this site, there can be also... interesting, who is interested), and Adverza Tactics work for me on all timeframes, on which I trade; the main thing is to combine pictures from older and younger ones and not to confuse soft with warm ;-)

And one more thing - it is very important in all charting systems known to me to work on the opening of the candle, not on the current price. Exceptions can be "iron" levels with an adequate stop for the given timeframe....

 
Andrey F. Zelinsky #:

Discussion of any trading system -- this is the essence of two questions:

1) how effective the trading system is
2) confirmation of effectiveness by personal trading.

For me - not really... A system can be effective, but not in specific hands - for example, due to the peculiarities of the trader's character, schedule - well, and other factors. Besides, if we are talking about this article of mine - here I did not try to describe a trading system.... I described very useful tools for me , that's all. But even based on these descriptions, I can offer at least a dozen of systems, which may be effective for some people, and for others will not suit them at all. And you can add here the calculation of the pivot point (there is one in the article, but Andrews' original describes at least one more, much more complicated variant), some levels (at least the same pivots or phibas), elements of the Putnik strategy, which Eugeni Neumoin told about and which by themselves can make an article, indicators.... And it will turn out to be a completely different strategy. And for its creator it will be effective, while, say, for me it may seem too cumbersome...


There are two types of developers:

-- the one who programmed someone else's trading system
-- the one who developed and programmed his own trading system.

Well, there is also me and others like me - I programmed the tools, and you can mould the systems as you wish ;-). The same fan from this article can be used... I don't know. In at least three different ways... And all "sane" - for me.... :-)


As a suggestion -- in the Market when placing an indicator or Expert Advisor, the author should answer two questions: 1) the system is developed by me/not by me, 2) I trade/not trade on the system (if the answer is "I trade", there should be confirmation of trading) -- the Market publishes these answers at the very beginning of the description.

And, I'm sorry, why - in the light of "tools"? By the way, are you aware that you can unscrew screws with a hammer? Sometimes it works even without pliers, I checked..... I'll tell you in confidence, it's very uncomfortable for me, but it's possible.

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Oleh Fedorov #:
For me - not quite so... The system can be effective, but not in specific hands - for example, due to the peculiarities of the character, schedule of the trader - well, and other factors.

It's like "It's not my fault, he came by himself". Until someone with "specific hands" started to try the strategy in real trading, the system was profitable.

 
Andrey F. Zelinsky #:

It's like, "It's not my fault, he came to me." Until someone with "concrete hands" started to try the strategy in real trading, the system was profitable.

Do you think that if a system is profitable, it should always be profitable? For example, the system says: "Enter at exactly eight o'clock plus 5-10 minutes". The time of the author of the system coincides with the time of the trader, but for some reason it is inconvenient for him to enter at 8, he enters at 10. All the other parameters are the same.... Will it be profitable if the other parameters are the same? My answer is, "I don't know. Depends on a lot of things that come into play"...Maybe it will be much more profitable than the original, maybe - vice versa... But basically - it depends on how accurately _personal_ statistics are collected.
In general, for me, the profitability of a strategy is determined by how well I personally understand the regularities underlying it. If I understand and follow the rules, it _will_ be profitable, without any variants.