SELLING THE HOLY GRAIL. STARTING PRICE 1 MILLION. DOL. - page 15

 
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LET'S SHIFT THE GRAIL PROBLEM A LITTLE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

The authors ChachaGames and GALINA have often pointed out here that they always enter the market correctly. To be honest, I highly doubt it, as there are a lot of negative and particularly large trades. But MM certainly has something there - it compensates!

I'm interested in the question of entering the market (opening a position in the right direction)!

Are there any 100% probability or close to it ways of opening positions? Who thinks so, maybe someone can share experiences and specific examples?

Please note, I'm not asking for your secrets, if any. I am interested in a serious approach to your opinions.

First of all I didn't say that my bot enters the market perfectly, I said it enters the market in a "smart" way.

Secondly, there are such ways, but unfortunately it's not 100%.

Especially if you want to trade on minute charts.

At least I don't know such a way.

I can tell you this.

My own developments (multicurrency trading system, those who know it will understand).

For example I am able to almost precisely make a price movement, but unfortunately the higher the interval of the graph, the more accurate the forecast.

That is why trading by this strategy I work off movements only on a rather large time interval and work mainly with my hands.

As a rule it is daily and weekly charts.

But this system will not work on one-minute charts, as you understand.

In the bots, as a rule (just my opinion) we can use virtually anything, any indicator will do.

The main thing, in my opinion, the emphasis should still be on the risks.

For example the right position volume, point value of a pair (for those currencies where this parameter is volatile), the spread, the size of the profit that you are going to take,

lots of other things.

I want to say that by and large any indicator will do for trading on minutes, you do not have to worry about it.

I, for example, have achieved only 6-7 correct entries out of 10.

That is only more than half... :(.

And it was a lot of time wasted .....

But believe me, it's enough to make profits.

 

Hello, I understand that a lot of EAs require constant optimisation. So that they can take into account recent price movements...

Is it possible to create an EA that does not require optimization at all and brings profit - always? On any timeframe. The profit may be extremely insignificant - 10% per month of the deposit? If so, write the name! :))) (but not a martingale)

 
DC
 
DC???
 
vldim >>:
ДЦ???

Open a DC.

You'll always be in the black.

 
DC is a serious argument, but it's not for me. There is such a system - to open in any candle in any timeframe (especially 4 o'clock) in any direction, the pipers will understand that they know this topic better than me. There is a corresponding branch on this forum. And it's not really a martingale after all. And there is no martingale at all. This is trading in days. and using the classic alligator and as a filter the classic ishimoku, according to the method - if the alligator's mouth opened in the cloud then it's better to skip. With this method you won't go down immediately, your profit may exceed 300 times the initially set stop-loss. With all the mechanics of trading (even without regard to price limits) it is relatively reliable.
 
Galina >>:

Ну во - первых я не говарила, что мой бот входит в рынок безупречно, я говарила, что он входит в рынок "по умному".

Во - вторых, да такие способы есть, но к сожалению все равно это не 100 %.

И ушь тем более, если вы хотите торговать на минутных графиках.

По крайней мере я не знаю такого способа.

Могу сказать так.

Лично по своим разработкам (мтультивалютная система торговли, те кто знает поймут).

У меня например получается практически точно делать раскладку движения цены, но к сожалению чем выше интервал графика, тем точнее прогноз.

Поэтому при торговли по этой стратегии я отробатываю движения только на достаточно крупном интервале времени и работаю в основном руками.

Это как правило дневные и недельные графики.

Но эта система как вы понимаете на минутках работать не будет.

В ботах, как правило, (только мое мнение) можно использовать впринципе все что угодно, любой индюк подойдет.

Главное, акцент делать надо все - таки, по моему мнению, на риски.

Это правельный обьем позиции например, стоимость пункта пары (для тех валют где этот показатель изменчив), размер спрэда, размер профита который вы собираетесь брать,

да куча всякого еще.

Хочу сказать что по большому счету любой индикатор для торговли на минутках подойдет, не надо по этому поводу особо загонятся.

Я например, максимум чего смогла достичь, это 6-7 верных входов из 10.

То есть всего навсего больше половины ... :(.

А времени было убито куча....

Но поверте мне, этого уже достаточно чтобы торговать с прибылью.


I agree with you on many things. The only thing I agree with you about is any kind of indicator. In general, I prefer medium-term trading - not on a minute timeframe. And I should say that all indices based on the price and using the averaging give failures, and they usually are the most unpleasant! On a minute chart there is more noise, therefore failures may occur more frequently. But due to the limited price range of a minute, they will seem to be less significant (loss-making) than on larger timeframes.

Here is the emphasis on the MM is mandatory and seems to be the most correct one so far. But again, I'll make a caveat. This is for short term trading! And this is not suitable for medium-term trading, especially for long-term trading.

Most of the literature suggests that the number of profitable trades should be at least 80%. ChachaGames wrote earlier in red font - 90%! Plus there are additional requirements.

My biggest annoyance used to be peak reversal bars. That is why I am trying to develop fundamentally different principles, but I cannot report the results yet, because the Expert Advisor does not work in the tester either. I have no idea what to do with it, I will be glad to listen to you.

 
kraizislot >>:
ДЦ это да, аргумент сурьёзный, но не для меня это. ЕСТЬ ТАКАЯ СИСТЕМА - открываться в любой свече в любом таймфрейме (особенно 4 часа) в любую сторону, пипсовщики поймут что они знают эту тему лучше меня. Есть ветка соответствующая на форуме. И это все таки не совсем мартингейл. А есть и Вовсе не мартингейл. Это торговля в днях. и с применением классического аллигатора и как фильтр классический ишимоку, по способу - если пасть алигатора открылась в облаке то лучше пропустить. Таким способом в минус уйдёш не сразу а профит хоть и раз в год но и в 300 раз может превысить заложенный на входе стоплосс. Посмотрите, проверьте. при всеё механичьности торговли (даже без оглядки на пределные значения цены) относительно надёжен.


What is a DC? And where to open one?
 
rustein писал(а) >>

This kind of money can be made more quickly. Example, an unoptimized TS:

Strategy Tester Report
Alpari-Demo (Build 225)


Symbol GBPUSD (Great Britain Pound vs US Dollar)
Period 1 Hour (H1) 2010.01.27 00:00 - 2010.02.25 23:00 (2010.01.27 - 2010.02.26)
Model All ticks (most accurate method based on all smallest available timeframes)
Parameters StopLoss=770;
Bars in history 1525 Modelled ticks 1105537 Simulation quality n/a
Chart mismatch errors 415
Initial deposit 1000.00
Net profit 10242046.65 Total profit 11177046.65 Total loss -935000.00
Profitability 11.95 Expected payoff 602473.33
Absolute drawdown 74.00 Maximum drawdown 1805200.00 (28.90%) Relative drawdown 50.64% (202504.56)
Total trades 17 Short positions (% win) 9 (88.89%) Long positions (% win) 8 (62.50%)
Profitable trades (% of all) 13 (76.47%) Loss trades (% of all) 4 (23.53%)
Largest profitable deal 4230000.00 losing transaction -467000.00
Average profitable deal 859772.82 losing trade -233750.00
Maximum number continuous wins (profit) 6 (4953046.65) continuous losses (loss) 1 (-467000.00)
Maximum Continuous Profit (number of wins) 4953046.65 (6) continuous loss (number of losses) -467000.00 (1)
Average continuous winnings 3 continuous loss 1


Time Type Order Volume Price S / L T / P Profit Balance
1 2010.01.27 09:48 buy 1 2.00 1.61135 0.00000 0.00000
2 2010.01.27 09:48 modify 1 2.00 1.61135 1.60365 0.00000
3 2010.01.27 12:46 close 1 2.00 1.62243 1.60365 0.00000 2216.00 3216.00
4 2010.01.27 12:46 sell 2 6.43 1.62243 0.00000 0.00000
5 2010.01.27 12:46 modify 2 6.43 1.62243 1.63013 0.00000
6 2010.01.27 21:13 close 2 6.43 1.61411 1.63013 0.00000 5349.76 8565.76
7 2010.01.27 21:13 buy 3 17.12 1.61411 0.00000 0.00000
8 2010.01.27 21:13 modify 3 17.12 1.61411 1.60641 0.00000
9 2010.01.28 10:00 close 3 17.12 1.62732 1.60641 0.00000 22610.38 31176.14
10 2010.01.28 10:00 sell 4 62.35 1.62732 0.00000 0.00000
11 2010.01.28 10:00 modify 4 62.35 1.62732 1.63502 0.00000
12 2010.02.01 19:00 close 4 62.35 1.59503 1.63502 0.00000 201053.81 232229.95
13 2010.02.02 09:16 buy 5 464.46 1.59182 0.00000 0.00000
14 2010.02.02 09:16 modify 5 464.46 1.59182 1.58412 0.00000
15 2010.02.03 11:00 close 5 464.46 1.60241 1.58412 0.00000 491816.69 724046.65
16 2010.02.03 11:00 sell 6 1000.00 1.60241 0.00000 0.00000
17 2010.02.03 11:00 modify 6 1000.00 1.60241 1.61011 0.00000
18 2010.02.08 00:00 close 6 1000.00 1.56000 1.61011 0.00000 4230000.00 4954046.65
19 2010.02.08 08:17 buy 7 1000.00 1.55788 0.00000 0.00000
20 2010.02.08 08:17 modify 7 1000.00 1.55788 1.55018 0.00000
21 2010.02.08 13:00 close 7 1000.00 1.55694 1.55018 0.00000 -94000.00 4860046.65
22 2010.02.08 22:52 buy 8 1000.00 1.55800 0.00000 0.00000
23 2010.02.08 22:52 modify 8 1000.00 1.55800 1.55030 0.00000
24 2010.02.09 00:00 close 8 1000.00 1.55899 1.55030 0.00000 98900.00 4958946.65
25 2010.02.09 10:41 buy 9 1000.00 1.55825 0.00000 0.00000
26 2010.02.09 10:41 modify 9 1000.00 1.55825 1.55055 0.00000
27 2010.02.09 12:00 close 9 1000.00 1.55746 1.55055 0.00000 -79000.00 4879946.65
28 2010.02.09 18:05 sell 10 1000.00 1.56997 0.00000 0.00000
29 2010.02.09 18:05 modify 10 1000.00 1.56997 1.57767 0.00000
30 2010.02.12 21:00 close 10 1000.00 1.56679 1.57767 0.00000 307000.00 5186946.65
31 2010.02.15 03:15 sell 11 1000.00 1.56604 0.00000 0.00000
32 2010.02.15 03:15 modify 11 1000.00 1.56604 1.57374 0.00000
33 2010.02.15 13:00 close 11 1000.00 1.57071 1.57374 0.00000 -467000.00 4719946.65
34 2010.02.16 15:14 buy 12 1000.00 1.56499 0.00000 0.00000
35 2010.02.16 15:14 modify 12 1000.00 1.56499 1.55729 0.00000
36 2010.02.17 03:00 close 12 1000.00 1.57659 1.55729 0.00000 1159900.00 5879846.65
37 2010.02.17 03:00 sell 13 1000.00 1.57659 0.00000 0.00000
38 2010.02.17 03:00 modify 13 1000.00 1.57659 1.58429 0.00000
39 2010.02.17 16:13 close 13 1000.00 1.57302 1.58429 0.00000 357000.00 6236846.65
40 2010.02.17 16:13 buy 14 1000.00 1.57302 0.00000 0.00000
41 2010.02.17 16:13 modify 14 1000.00 1.57302 1.56532 0.00000
42 2010.02.17 18:00 close 14 1000.00 1.57007 1.56532 0.00000 -295000.00 5941846.65
43 2010.02.18 17:00 sell 15 1000.00 1.56396 0.00000 0.00000
44 2010.02.18 17:00 modify 15 1000.00 1.56396 1.57166 0.00000
45 2010.02.19 14:00 close 15 1000.00 1.53981 1.57166 0.00000 2412800.00 8354646.65
46 2010.02.23 10:49 sell 16 1000.00 1.54605 0.00000 0.00000
47 2010.02.23 10:49 modify 16 1000.00 1.54605 1.55375 0.00000
48 2010.02.23 21:00 close 16 1000.00 1.54461 1.55375 0.00000 144000.00 8498646.65
49 2010.02.24 00:00 sell 17 1000.00 1.54347 0.00000 0.00000
50 2010.02.24 00:00 modify 17 1000.00 1.54347 1.55117 0.00000
51 2010.02.25 23:59 close at stop 17 1000.00 1.52596 1.55117 0.00000 1744400.00 10243046.65

Just kidding, please don't take it seriously.

 

Why joke, the prices here are "real", yours is the most expensive ;)


Of course it's not real, but I can't help it :) I'm launching tonight, there will be monitoring here.

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