Simulate the situation. If 1,000 people were forced to trade amongst themselves, how would the graph behave? - page 7

 
Aleksey Vyazmikin:

I don't understand how they can sell without buying or creating - are we modelling a forex scam on the DC principle?

Cryptomanets are an intangible asset that has its own cost (transaction value) and demand (can you actually buy something with that currency). In most cases, at the beginning of quoting a coin, the crypto is mined and pawned, in order to sell it at a more profitable rate.

The exchange rate is of two currencies, you can buy one, you can buy the other - that's it. The deposit is in one currency, but when you open the position the exchange happens first, and then you buy currency from the numerator or denominator, and when you close it, you sell what you bought back earlier. It's all honest, no scam.

 
Aleksey Vyazmikin:

I don't understand how they can sell without buying or creating - are we modelling a forex scam on the DC principle?

Cryptomanets are an intangible asset that has its own cost (transaction value) and demand (can you actually buy something with that currency). In most cases, at the beginning of quoting a coin, the crypto is mined and pawned to sell at a better rate.

how do you sell on exchange without buying?

Most of the transactions on the exchange are virtual, without the presence of an asset.


In our case:

someone decides what the initial price is going to be. He puts a sell order on the stock. Someone buys from him.

After a while, when the price changed, the first bought from the second. (Or the first bought from a completely left-handed person to close his deal, and the second sold to a left-handed person to close his deal).

 
Dmitry Fedoseev:

The exchange rate is made up of two currencies, you can buy one, you can buy the other - that's it. The deposit is in one currency, but when you open a position it's like an exchange happens first, and then you buy currency from the numerator or denominator, and when you close it, you sell what you bought back earlier. It's all honest, no scam.

Suppose you have roubles, only USD/RUB(USD_TOM) is traded, how do you propose to sell? The kitchen mechanisms are clear, but in fact, you need to borrow dollars against roubles and pay interest on the loan... And who would lend an asset in a simulated situation - the stock exchange? The broker can't, he doesn't yet have the asset as well as other participants in the model. And then, usually someone else's assets are lent (clients' assets on paper - you have to write a waiver specifically so they don't do that).

 
Maybe, to avoid modelling the situation, you could observe it all on some low-liquidity stock on the stock exchange.
on some stock that is traded by a small number of people.

but there's a problem. the stock has a real value - the price of the company.

Better on some kind of crypto. but there is also a problem, as they said here - the influx and outflow of people.
 
multiplicator:

and how do you sell on the stock exchange without buying?

Most transactions on the stock exchange are virtual, without the presence of an asset. speculators do not have shares at home. most have not even seen them.


In our case:

someone decides what the initial price will be. He puts a sell order on the stock. Someone buys from him.

After a while, when the price changed, the first bought from the second. (Or the first bought from a completely left-handed person to close his deal, and the second sold to a left-handed person to close his deal)

The exchange sells either assets or liabilities (futures contracts) for the delivery of assets. Yes, as I wrote above, it is possible to do a repo transaction, but again, the assets being sold in this case.

 
Aleksey Vyazmikin:

The exchange sells either assets or liabilities (futures contracts) for the delivery of assets. Yes, as I wrote above, you can have a repo deal, but again, the assets being sold in this case.

but on a cryptocurrency exchange?

cryptocurrency has a real value? don't be ridiculous))

ok, it's your private opinion that crypto has a value.

That's a subject for another thread.
 
I'm thinking about how the cup will be formed.

First someone will want to buy at the lowest price, one cent.

and someone wants to sell at a very high price. A million dollars.

There will be two bids in the cup, at the very bottom and very high.

Then people will put bids inside the spread closer and closer to each other.
 
multiplicator:
I wonder how the cup will be formed.

First someone will want to buy at the lowest price, one cent.

and someone will want to sell at a very high price. For a million dollars.

There will be two bids in the cup, at the very bottom and very high.

Then people will put bids inside the spread closer and closer to each other.

And at the end everyone will sit in a glass and wait)

 
Aleksey Vyazmikin:

Let's say you have roubles, only USD/RUB(USD_TOM) is traded, how do you propose to sell? The mechanisms of the kitchens are clear, but in fact you need to borrow dollars against rubles and pay interest on the loan... And who would lend an asset in a simulated situation - the stock exchange? The broker can't, he doesn't yet have the asset as well as other participants in the model. And then, usually someone else's assets are lent (clients' assets on paper - you have to specifically write a waiver to avoid doing so).

Exchanging rubles for dollars and buying rubles. It is essentially the same as buying dollars for available rubles - the profit will change according to the exchange rate, but with a different sign. That is, one way - buying, the other - selling. Everything is normal.

 
Maxim Romanov:

You've been watching the cryptocurrency market. Can you describe what processes are going on there?

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