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The service continues to improve: now when each step in the Work you have ordered or are executing is completed, you receive an SMS notification on your phone. You receive messages only about the completed steps of the second party, no extra SMS are received.
To receive such messages in time, you should specify your phone number in the Profile - tab "Security".
web mani seems to be hacked, PayPal requires a credit card (you need to get it and then pay for service - not an option).
I use all the time this service https://click.alfabank.ru/ALFAIBSR/ I make all the necessary payments and any, made payments and foreign partners, but for this you need bank details.
if you could specify the necessary information for the transfer (bank-to-bank), if inside the bank(http://www.alfabank.ru/), then it's great - no commissions at all.
VTB24 payment for service 300rub per year, well, as if the figure is not crazy. To say that it is a lot, would not be correct.
300rub, with my amount of turnover and intensity, seems like a grain of sand to me.
1) I can make all payments remotely, VTB24 has an excellent client bank.
Installation was trivial.
1) I downloaded the description from the website
2) I created public keys myself, sent them to the bank.
3-If I'm not mistaken, it seems that the bank after receiving them from me automatically makes the answer keys.
4-and the bank sends them back to me.
5-I set up a client bank.
I did all this without a single call to the support service and without calling the bank in principle.
2) I can accept payments in 4 currencies at once RUB EUR GPB USD
for payment of orders to Europe I send usually requisites in EUR, of course for England I send GPB requisites.
for USA CANADA and others I send USD.
3) PAYPAL - forget about it... because this service does not allow you to withdraw money to Russia.
In other words, YOU CAN transfer money to this account -
to pay for goods on EBAY, in online shops!
BUT you CANNOT accept, for Russia and some other third world countries there is no such possibility at the system level.
( this by the way shows how we are treated abroad ) we are not the country for them to give to, we are the country for them from which you can only take.
to take oil, gas, timber, gold and money.
4) WM though and wash but not massively ...
simple measures FIREWALL + do not keep the amount, immediately withdraw + apply all recommendations for protection + keep isolated machine where WM is, for example, put on a virtual machine
and leave this machine one PORTIC for working with WM and more nothing on this machine do not run at all ie naked XP and WM and nothing more.
, just take 30-40 megobytes on the disc under the virtual and all these tales about hacking WM will tell your grandchildren.
( read in the internet those who write that it was broken ) they all neglected the rules of protection!
5) by the way, we do not know about all cases when money is taken away from PAYPAL or other payment systems.
10 is the average now on freelancer services with similar functionality, and 5 is low.
2-3% commission would be very low :)
WM = 0.8% when paying lower may be and is not know. when crediting = 0%.
VTB24 - annual client bank 300rub
at receipt commission = 0
If I make a payment, the commission in different cases I had no more than 1%,
as I make the payment myself through the client bank system The commission is very low.
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One of my friends runs a business, he sells something on EBAY, he has a crazy 10-20% withdrawal fee.
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In civilised banking, the commission is up to 1%.
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For example, non-cash transactions on VISA cards = commission = 0%, although there are transaction processing costs,
for the environment supporting non-cash transactions.
banks have long lived not on card fees, but on resources ...
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if I accept payment to a bank account = 0%, my non-cash transactions = 0%.
If I make transfers, the commission = up to 1%, if I make a client bank, depending on the options, the commission can be 0.3%.
... the maximum I lose is up to 1% (and only if I pay for something).
I can't find better conditions
The service continues to improve: now when each step in the Work you have ordered or are executing is completed, you receive an SMS notification on your phone. You receive messages only about the completed steps of the second party, no extra SMS are received.
To receive such messages in time, you should specify your phone number in the Profile - tab "Security".
I realise that it may be off topic, but there is no answer to this in the rules.
What to do if at the stage "prototype - mockup" programmer for a week sends mockups that clearly do not work properly. work is done intermittently, but the net time is about two weeks, instead of five days.
In the Civil Code of the Russian Federation there is a rule - if the customer understands that the contractor is unable to perform the work the customer has the right to refuse to perform the work, if there is any result, then give the money in proportion to the achieved result. There is no result, the money is blocked and I begin to understand that apparently and nothing will not work. what to do? to lose further time and money.
I repeat once again, there is no answer in the rules. You didn't write it down, that's all.
If you need to appeal to arbitration, but how it is done at the stage of layout is also not clear.
I realise that it may be off topic, but there is no answer to this in the rules.
What to do if at the stage of "prototype - mockup" programmer for a week sends mockups that clearly do not work properly. work is done intermittently, but the net time is about two weeks, instead of five days.
In the Civil Code of the Russian Federation there is a rule - if the customer understands that the contractor is unable to perform the work the customer has the right to refuse to perform the work, if there is any result, then give the money in proportion to the achieved result. There is no result, the money is blocked and I begin to understand that apparently and nothing will not work. what to do? to lose further time and money.
I repeat once again, there is no answer in the rules. You didn't write it down, that's for sure.
If you need to appeal to arbitration, but how it is done at the layout stage is also not clear.
Here, in my opinion, it is worth sorting out how and by whom it is determined that the layouts "do not work properly".
It is also good to determine what the original TOR was (how correctly it was understood by both parties), as well as to find out what changes in it were (if any) in the course of the work.
Even if this situation is not specified in the rules, it can be solved by analogy, on the basis of existing norms and principles, guided by common sense.
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Most likely here we should start from the ToR and its understanding by both parties.
Here, in my opinion, it's worth sorting out how and by whom it is determined that the layouts "don't work properly".
It is also good to determine what the original TOR was (how correctly it was understood by both parties), as well as to find out what changes were made to it (if any) during the course of the work.
Even if this situation is not specified in the rules, it can be solved by analogy, on the basis of existing norms and principles, guided by common sense.
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Most likely here we should start from the TOR and its understanding by both parties.
TOR was more than detailed 11 pages of printed text with detailed descriptions.
In addition, at the stage of working out the layout has repeatedly sent screens visually
illustrating how the layout makes transactions and how they should be made in reality.
At the same time, I even went to the extent of simplifying the technical task a bit, so that at least let's say that
the Expert Advisor started to realise the simplest algorithm, i.e. with disabled mani management, trailing and stops.
i.e. stupid execution of trades with a single lot.
and even in this case the Expert Advisor is not working properly.
I understand about common sense. We can hit and the programmer can say okay, I failed.
Take your money. You don't owe me anything.
but the thing is that the work service doesn't specify how the money that is reserved for the programmer is unlocked at the layout stage.
reserved for the programmer as a guarantee of payment for his work.
By the way, for example, the last screens sent the day before yesterday and no response from him and he is stupidly silent
If you want I can send you these screens for clarity.
Maybe you can explain to me what I'm wrong if my executor is silent.
By the way, the question is whether you wrote the post as an official moderator - representative of the site or just a user of the resource like me.
Still I would like to see the reaction of representatives of methaquotes with explanations so to speak of the rules and what to do next.
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1) By the way the question you wrote the post as an official moderator - representative of the site or just a user of the resource like me .
2) Still would like to see the reaction of representatives of metaquotes with explanations so to speak rules and what to do next
1) Do not pay attention to the official tone. Such a tone of many posting. :)
And only Administrators and Moderators have privileged rights on the forum (you can see under the avatar).
2) Address, for example, to Roshid, or to another administrator, show him the screens and TOR (here you should not do it), he will sort out the situation.
ZY. Your text is very inconvenient to read - there are no commas, prepositions, dots and capital letters. The meaning of what is written can be distorted or not available to the reader at all. Perhaps because of this you have disagreements with the executor of the TOR. Although, the performer in any case should respond to the comments, and not just play silence.
TOR was more than detailed 11 pages of printed text with detailed descriptions.
In addition, at the stage of working out the layout, screens were sent repeatedly to illustrate how the layout makes transactions and how they should be made in reality.
illustrating how the layout makes transactions and how they should be made in reality.
At the same time, I even went to the extent of simplifying the technical task a bit, so that at least let's say that
the Expert Advisor started to realise the simplest algorithm, i.e. with disabled mani management, trailing and stops.
i.e. stupid execution of trades with a single lot.
and even in this case the Expert Advisor does not work properly
Then it is necessary to address official representatives of MetaQuotes Software Corp, as an independent party, which acts as a guarantor when performing such works (for example, Rosh).
Present the TOR and other materials, argue your position.
The second party should also express its position and present the available arguments.
but the thing is that in the service work is not spelt out how in this case at the stage of layout unlocked money that are
reserved for the programmer as a guarantee of payment for his work.
It doesn't mean that they can't be unlocked by the decision of MetaQuotes Software Corp representatives (of course, after considering arguments of both parties).
As far as I understand, only the part of work that has been done (if we don't take into account penalties and other penalties) can be paid. Everything else that is not present in the TOR or does not correspond to it cannot be paid.
By the way, for example, the last screens sent the day before yesterday and no response from him, he is stupidly silent
The developer may have his own reasons for not responding to your messages. The only question is how objective and significant they are in this situation.
Excessively frequent changes in TOR are not very useful either, even some simplifications (which seemingly should make the whole process of work execution easier).
From this point of view, in my opinion, it was worthwhile to break down the ToR into some stages (on which to draw up additional agreements and specify terms).
Anything happens, perhaps the contractor has certain difficulties with the work (which were not taken into account at the stage of agreement).
Tincup:
If you want I can send you these screens for clarity
Maybe you can explain to me what I am wrong since my contractor is silent.
By the way the question you wrote the post as an official moderator - representative of the site or just a user of the resource like me.
Still I would like to see the reaction of representatives of methaquotes with explanations so to speak rules and what to do next.
No, I don't need to send anything, as I am not a representative of MetaQuotes Software Corp (otherwise I would have appropriate marks about it). I am a "mere mortal" like you, only for some reasons I have more posts).
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Andrey correctly advised you to contact the administration, for example,Roshid (Rosh). Send in a PM and attach the TOR, screens and all that has been received to date from the performer.
Let them listen to the arguments of both sides and make a competent decision.
After that, if desired, you can create a corresponding message on the forum. And here, as it was correctly noted by Andrei such discussions have no place.
Yes, I wrote to Rashid in a PM, but no screenshots yet, I gave a link to this page, let's see what he says. Thanks for the advice, really. Maybe I'm really making waves for nothing. But my intuition tells me that the case still smells of paraffin.