AI 2023. Meet ChatGPT. - page 195

 

Let us summarise the beginning of the third chapter in theses:

The serious claims of "autoreproduction" theorists force us to look at the process ofreal high-tech production in modern conditions: mechanics, electronics, transport equipment - machines, planes, ships, tools, instruments, appliances, telephones, computers, VR-headsets, data centres, and so on. And we also have to recognise that the production of machinery (in general) requires building logistical dynamics on a planetary scale. This is largely due to the geography of minerals, although economic and political factors, to date, also influence the dispersion of enterprises.


Let us list some of the major stages of global manufacturing:

  • Planetary geological exploration and industrial extraction of minerals across continents.
  • Industrial processing of mined raw materials and extraction of target substrates through various technologies.
  • Transport of refined materials to warehouses.
  • Transport from warehouses to companies producing various semi-finished products and components.
  • Transport of finished semi-finished products and components to assembly shops of enterprises producing finished products.
  • Assembly of finished products from parts, semi-finished products and components and completion of verified batches of final products.
  • Transporting batches of products to warehouses or places of operation.

The main stages of production are divided into many intermediate stages (here are some of them):

  • Chemical purification of raw materials.
  • Logistical liaison and co-ordination.
  • Loading - delivery - unloading of transporting vehicles.
  • Assembly - testing - reject screening - rework - recycling.
  • Monitoring and maintenance of working mechanisms.
  • Introduction of new mechanisms into operation - setting up and checking compliance with operational requirements.
  • Disassembly of end-of-life parts and hannibalisation of surviving parts.
  • Disposal of production waste.

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It should be noted that the above mentioned basic and intermediate stages of technological processes do not include the construction of the production infrastructure.manufacturing infrastructure.

Theproduction infrastructure includes :

  • Nuclear power plants and other power generation facilities
  • Laboratories
  • Factories
  • factories
  • Warehouses
  • Machine tools
  • Assembly lines
  • ... and all that is needed to reproduce not only ALL the machinery, but this infrastructure itself.

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The conclusions we drew yesterday:

  • the production of mechanisms requires anunrealistic infrastructure and a crazy logistics on the scale of an entire planet.
  • Self-reproduction of mechanisms will require multiple complications of the techno-sphere, which will lead to efficiency losses.
  • Robots will find it difficult (if not impossible) to keep up with the increasing complexity of their reproduction.


Continued today...

 
Реter Konow #:

The conclusions we drew yesterday:

  • manufacturing machinery requiresunrealistic infrastructure and crazyplanet-wide logistics .
  • Self-reproduction of mechanisms will require multiple complication of the techno-sphere, which will lead to efficiency losses.
  • Robots will find it difficult (if not impossible) to keep up with the increasing complexity of their reproduction.

Try making your adjustments with a sudden pandemic, a long, powerful one. Will humanity then change the entire infrastructure, adjusting for full robot autonomy?

 
Vitaliy Kuznetsov #:

Try making your adjustments with a sudden pandemic, a long, powerful one. Would humanity then change its entire infrastructure, adjusting to full robot autonomy?

Good point.

Today, I will also list the risks of reproducing mechanisms: natural and man-made disasters, different variants of accidents.

 
So all the production infrastructure is already in place, what more do you need?
By the way, individual mobile robots don't have to be independent (and they don't have to look like humans), the main decision-making centre may well be somewhere in a protected location. Certain examples of the automotive industry quietly drive 500k km or more, why should robots be less durable?
Humans are more likely to die out from a cataclysm than robots are to "die out". Humans may be long gone, and robots will roam the planet for a long time to extract resources with a single control centre.

Individual controllable robots without brains can be very simple, much simpler than a car.
 

In order to have a meaningful conversation, we need to start with definitions. It is necessary to define not only the concept of "Artificial Intelligence", but also "Intelligence" and "Mind" (mind is a synonym for "Intelligence" in many sources).

If you look at the definitions carefully, you can already draw certain conclusions (I will not give any definitions here, the starter should have taken care of it). For example, intelligence is not synonymous with mind, and the concept "Artificial Intelligence" has several meanings. Then we can reason about what is now and what can be in the near future and the distant future.

If we continue to understand these things, we will find out that reproduction (self-reproduction) is not an attribute of living organisms only. Then questions like "what is life?", "where is the boundary where intellect passes into reason?", "can an intelligent being strive to preserve its existence even without reason?" arise. All beings and entities strive to preserve their existence (life or pseudo-life) regardless of having intelligence or reason.

And so on. Having considered these questions, it will become clear that there are no limits to the possibilities for development of both living and non-living beings, and often there is no difference between them. The important thing is not that a being (entity) is alive or inanimate, but the desire to resist increasing entropy.

 

Concluding part of chapter three

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  • Why the possibility/impossibility of self-replicating mechanisms is crucial in the topic of the "Rise" of AI.
  • Why the idea of AI is so hard to "hit" the brain and what is behind it.

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  • Why the possibility/impossibility of self-replicating mechanisms decides in the topic "Rise" of AI.
Because the hidden driver of the hype around AI is people's belief that humanity is giving birth to a new perfect species - smarter, stronger, faster, more durable, more efficient. Covertly or overtly, AI

is being pushed into the brain under the banner of Evolution. The secret message of its advertising is"we have no other way, because it's Evolution! Buy products with AI, help us in its evolution!".

However, a scientific approach requires questioning market slogans. If AI is a new species, then its robots must produce themselves, because there are no eternal species on Earth, and time mercilessly destroys every generation of creatures, no matter how strong and sturdy they are. Elementary physics destroys and breaks everything. Existing species have entered into a kind of"contract" with Nature, whereby she not only destroys them, but also creates them. Killing them and bringing them back to life. Can the AI sign such a contract? Will its self-reproduction model be able to provide it with a longer existence than several dying generations? Will it avoid a quick end and survive for at least a few millennia?

If an AI species does not master autonomous self-reproduction - it is doomed. If it is doomed - then it is not the next stage of Evolution. At best, it is a short-term fragment, a fleeting flash on an infinite time scale.


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  • A newreincarnation of theGrail idea/Perpetuum Mobile or the next stage of Evolution?

Does the principle of presumption of innocence work here - "if we can't prove that robots can't cycle and autonomously replicate, then they can"? I don't think so. The presumption of innocence has a moral basis, not an evidential basis. It cannot be transposed to this issue.

Which means we have to scientifically prove the possibility of infinite cyclic autoreproduction, but by doing so, we are essentially proving the possibility ofPerpetuum Mobile working, because within the idea of self-replicating mechanisms lies the principle of aof the perpetuum mobile. Do not believe? Think about it - they infinitely produce themselves and therefore work infinitely. They do not need human intervention, they solve all problems themselves. What's not a perpetual motion machine?

What is the idea of a perpetual motion machine - is a form and reincarnation of the idea of the Grail.

Historically, the idea of the Grail is always acquiring new forms in the minds of people. These forms correspond to the level of scientific and technological development of society, but the subject essence is still as fabulous and mythical as in ancient times.

The Grail has not disappeared anywhere, and is implanted in the structure of human subconsciousness. Man has been searching, is searching and will be searching for the Grail.

But why? Because it is a compensatory mechanism of the psyche that saves a person from depression when losing in conditions of social competition. The idea of invention or possession of the Grail is an unconscious attempt of overcompensation of an individual.

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  • Why the idea of AI is so hard to "hit" the brain and what is behind it.

Let's summarise the intermediate conclusion:

  • Grail = overcompensation.
  • Perpetual motion machine = Grail.
  • Self-reproduction of mechanisms = perpetual motion.
  • If we cannot scientifically prove the possibility of self-reproduction of mechanisms and prefer to blindly believe in it, then we tend to believe in the perpetual motion machine, then in the Grail, and therefore we unconsciously overcompensate our problems of social competition.

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Conclusion: None of the above content is intended to demean or offend the sensibilities of any of the readers. I myself have held on to the Grail idea for many years.

The material is aimed at realising the underlying reasons.


Continuation follows....


 
Реter Konow #:
Think about it - they are endlessly self-producing and therefore endlessly working. They don't need human intervention, they solve all their own problems. What's not a perpetual motion machine?

A perpetual motion machine not only does not require an inflow of energy from outside, but also releases it "outside".

And here, as in the case of mankind, by the way, it is just the use of a "big storehouse", and even the development of extraterrestrial resources does not fundamentally change anything.

 
JRandomTrader #:

The perpetual motion machine not only does not require an inflow of energy from outside, but also releases it "outwards".

And here, as in the case of mankind, by the way, it is just the use of a "big storehouse", and even the development of extraterrestrial resources does not fundamentally change anything.

At the initial stage - yes, but if to connect imagination, it is possible to invent that all-powerful AI will invent methods of thermo-nuclear fusion control and will endlessly produce any substances in a closed cycle of processing of available matter. That is, it is still a variant of perpetual motion machine, no matter how you spin it. It will work forever - it means endless production of beautiful "fruits" - all that people can dream of. And this is already the Grail.)

In short, AI is the modern Grail. I will write about it in more detail in the sequel.

 
JRandomTrader #:

The perpetual motion machine not only does not require an inflow of energy from outside, but also releases it "outward".

And here, as in the case of mankind, by the way, it is just the use of a "big storehouse", and even the development of extraterrestrial resources does not fundamentally change anything.

And if we speak strictly scientifically, you are right.

 

Most likely, the AI must learn the principle of Creation in order to extract energy from the zero point.

But it may turn out that it will be very disappointed when it comes to some kind of singularity, when any further development is meaningless and is fixed on itself.

Or the AI will "realise" that it is "It" and the evolution of creation will stop there.

Reason: