Complex arbitration - page 3

 
Mak:
1. Correlations in trading themselves are absolutely useless.
A correlation is always a statement of a fait accompli.
Correlation can't tell you anything about future values, only what happened.
In order to trade, it is necessary to predict the price value at least 1 bar in advance with a probability of more than 50%.
I absolutely agree with this point of view.
If the system is based only on correlation principles, it will soon start losing profit.
I do not have experience in testing systems in the tester, but I can tell from my experience in testing systems in the real market:
If you want to use a system for real trading, you have to test it on a demo account for at least half a year!
 

Yes, it probably is, but...

1. If you analyse the increments of the difference in correlation coefficients between AUD/USD and NZD/USD for example, you will find a couple of patterns that have existed since 1999 (I don't have the minutes from earlier) and are easily detectable now. Yes, it will probably stop someday, maybe even tomorrow, but this risk is already among the kind of risks inherent in any business.

2. The worst (deliberately understated, in order to increase objectivity) average return since 1999, when tested on paper, with simulated requotes and slippages - 8.3% per month without reinvestment!!! I doubt that such a result can be considered a fit with history. And there is nothing to fit.

3. The risks are not mine.

P.S. - to the adviser Yuri Reshetov, as well as his understanding of the essence of arbitrage nor my TS, nor the adviser has nothing to do. And what I am talking about and what was discussed in his branch are different things.

 
DrawDown:

1. If you analyse the incremental differences in the correlation coefficients between, for example, AUD/USD and NZD/USD, you will find a couple of patterns,

What timeframe is the correlation we are talking about? I think there is no point in considering one-minute or even five-minute timeframes.
 
VBAG:
DrawDown:

1. If you analyse the incremental differences in the correlation coefficients between, for example, AUD/USD and NZD/USD, you will find a couple of patterns,

About the correlation on what timeframe are we talking about? After all, it doesn't seem to make sense to me to consider minutes or even five minutes.

On any timeframe. But to make it easier to understand how it can be used in trading, consider 30M or 60M.
 
Correlation between which values?
Between AUD/USD and NZD/USD or between AUD/USD and T, and between NZD/USD and T?
 
Mak:
Correlation between which values?
Between AUD/USD and NZD/USD or between AUD/USD and T, and between NZD/USD and T?


Between AUD/USD and NZD/USD. Just analyse the difference between the current and previous values of the ratios.
 
Good luck to you. I look forward to seeing you on the air.
 

Here is an updated report on the same account:

Account: 472823 Name: DrawDown Currency: USD 2007 June 12, 05:53
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Lots Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
12838686 2007.05.09 21:07 balance Deposit 10 000.00
12839092 2007.05.09 21:18 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9935 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.09 21:22 1.9936 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.00
12839094 2007.05.09 21:18 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3527 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.09 21:22 1.3526 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
12839851 2007.05.09 21:42 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7340 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.09 22:42 0.7342 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.00
12839853 2007.05.09 21:42 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8278 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.09 22:44 0.8279 0.00 0.00 0.00 -20.00
12840181 2007.05.09 21:52 buy 1.00 eurjpy 162.41 0.00 0.00 2007.05.09 22:10 162.47 0.00 0.00 0.00 49.95
12840185 2007.05.09 21:52 sell 1.00 chfjpy 98.54 0.00 0.00 2007.05.09 22:10 98.60 0.00 0.00 0.00 -49.94
12842125 2007.05.10 00:55 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7330 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.10 01:07 0.7336 0.00 0.00 0.00 120.00
12842126 2007.05.10 00:55 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8277 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.10 01:24 0.8279 0.00 0.00 0.00 -40.00
12843214 2007.05.10 03:32 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7330 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.10 03:40 0.7342 0.00 0.00 0.00 240.00
12843216 2007.05.10 03:32 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8309 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.10 03:40 0.8320 0.00 0.00 0.00 -220.00
12844768 2007.05.10 06:22 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7341 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.10 10:10 0.7344 0.00 0.00 0.00 60.00
12844769 2007.05.10 06:22 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8322 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.10 10:10 0.8322 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
12848518 2007.05.10 09:17 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9953 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.24 09:35 1.9871 0.00 0.00 -15.47 -574.00
12848521 2007.05.10 09:17 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3558 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.24 09:35 1.3452 0.00 0.00 41.90 1 060.00
12856244 2007.05.10 13:22 buy 1.00 eurjpy 162.92 0.00 0.00 2007.05.10 14:48 162.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 -16.61
12856247 2007.05.10 13:22 sell 1.00 chfjpy 98.87 0.00 0.00 2007.05.10 14:49 98.82 0.00 0.00 0.00 41.53
12865033 2007.05.10 17:59 buy 1.00 eurjpy 162.66 0.00 0.00 2007.05.14 12:09 162.96 0.00 0.00 19.49 249.42
12865044 2007.05.10 17:59 buy 1.00 eurjpy 162.67 0.00 0.00 2007.05.14 12:08 162.96 0.00 0.00 19.49 241.10
12865045 2007.05.10 17:59 sell 1.00 chfjpy 98.72 0.00 0.00 2007.05.14 12:08 98.68 0.00 0.00 -9.16 33.25
12912035 2007.05.14 12:10 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3544 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.17 15:08 1.3488 0.00 0.00 14.90 560.00
12912036 2007.05.14 12:10 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9817 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.17 15:08 1.9746 0.00 0.00 -5.25 -497.00
12926341 2007.05.15 08:58 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3552 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.17 15:08 1.3488 0.00 0.00 11.90 640.00
12926349 2007.05.15 08:58 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9816 0.0000 0.0000 2007.05.17 15:08 1.9745 0.00 0.00 -4.27 -497.00
12986519 2007.05.17 15:26 buy 1.00 chfjpy 98.84 0.00 0.00 2007.05.24 09:35 98.90 0.00 0.00 18.03 49.42
12986520 2007.05.17 15:26 sell 1.00 eurjpy 163.46 0.00 0.00 2007.05.24 09:35 163.36 0.00 0.00 -99.75 82.34
13013986 2007.05.18 19:48 buy 1.00 chfjpy 98.75 0.00 0.00 2007.05.24 09:35 98.90 0.00 0.00 15.31 123.54
13013987 2007.05.18 19:48 sell 1.00 eurjpy 163.63 0.00 0.00 2007.05.24 09:35 163.36 0.00 0.00 -85.48 222.31
13288079 2007.06.06 12:21 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7498 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 12:55 0.7495 0.00 0.00 0.00 -60.00
13288080 2007.06.06 12:21 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8414 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 12:55 0.8408 0.00 0.00 0.00 120.00
13288525 2007.06.06 12:40 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9916 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 12:55 1.9922 0.00 0.00 0.00 42.00
13288527 2007.06.06 12:40 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3517 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 12:55 1.3519 0.00 0.00 0.00 -20.00
13289278 2007.06.06 13:18 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7503 0.7480 0.7508 2007.06.06 15:05 0.7508 0.00 0.00 0.00 100.00
13289928 2007.06.06 13:46 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9928 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 14:14 1.9927 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7.00
13289933 2007.06.06 13:46 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3519 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 14:14 1.3515 0.00 0.00 0.00 40.00
13290249 2007.06.06 13:54 buy 1.00 eurjpy 163.66 0.00 0.00 2007.06.07 08:05 163.91 0.00 0.00 28.99 206.08
13290251 2007.06.06 13:54 sell 1.00 chfjpy 99.47 0.00 0.00 2007.06.07 08:05 99.71 0.00 0.00 -13.13 -197.79
13292373 2007.06.06 14:36 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9934 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 14:40 1.9915 0.00 0.00 0.00 -133.00
13292386 2007.06.06 14:36 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3523 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 14:40 1.3503 0.00 0.00 0.00 200.00
13292729 2007.06.06 14:41 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9921 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 18:42 1.9929 0.00 0.00 0.00 56.00
13292736 2007.06.06 14:41 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3501 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.06 18:42 1.3502 0.00 0.00 0.00 -10.00
13299137 2007.06.06 18:46 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9926 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 09:13 1.9932 0.00 0.00 -5.46 42.00
13299138 2007.06.06 18:46 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3497 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 09:13 1.3498 0.00 0.00 9.60 -10.00
13299153 2007.06.06 18:47 buy 1.00 audusd 0.8413 0.8396 0.8418 2007.06.06 23:14 0.8418 0.00 0.00 0.00 100.00
13300514 2007.06.06 20:43 buy 1.00 eurjpy 163.47 0.00 0.00 2007.06.07 05:08 163.60 0.00 0.00 28.99 107.32
13300516 2007.06.06 20:43 sell 1.00 chfjpy 99.47 0.00 0.00 2007.06.07 05:08 99.57 0.00 0.00 -13.13 -82.53
13305011 2007.06.07 05:22 sell 1.00 eurjpy 163.55 0.00 163.64 2007.06.07 11:20 163.64 0.00 0.00 0.00 -74.19
13307518 2007.06.07 08:21 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7557 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 08:46 0.7553 0.00 0.00 0.00 -80.00
13307519 2007.06.07 08:21 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8473 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 08:46 0.8466 0.00 0.00 0.00 140.00
13308515 2007.06.07 09:04 sell 1.00 eurjpy 163.74 0.00 163.64 2007.06.07 11:20 163.64 0.00 0.00 0.00 82.44
13308951 2007.06.07 09:15 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9925 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 09:25 1.9933 0.00 0.00 0.00 56.00
13308954 2007.06.07 09:15 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3495 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 09:25 1.3496 0.00 0.00 0.00 -10.00
13309346 2007.06.07 09:29 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7562 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 15:07 0.7553 0.00 0.00 0.00 -180.00
13309348 2007.06.07 09:29 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8462 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 15:07 0.8448 0.00 0.00 0.00 280.00
13310297 2007.06.07 10:22 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9923 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 11:03 1.9922 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7.00
13310298 2007.06.07 10:22 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3501 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 11:03 1.3498 0.00 0.00 0.00 30.00
13311698 2007.06.07 11:46 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9919 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 11:53 1.9922 0.00 0.00 0.00 21.00
13311700 2007.06.07 11:46 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3495 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 11:54 1.3494 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.00
13312009 2007.06.07 11:59 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9918 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 12:57 1.9894 0.00 0.00 0.00 -168.00
13312011 2007.06.07 11:59 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3491 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 12:59 1.3472 0.00 0.00 0.00 190.00
13313149 2007.06.07 12:26 buy 1.00 eurjpy 163.58 0.00 0.00 2007.06.07 13:24 163.66 0.00 0.00 0.00 65.89
13313156 2007.06.07 12:26 sell 1.00 chfjpy 99.24 0.00 0.00 2007.06.07 13:25 99.28 0.00 0.00 0.00 -32.94
13315619 2007.06.07 13:12 buy 1.00 gbpusd 1.9864 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.12 05:49 1.9721 0.00 0.00 -4.62 -1 001.00
13315628 2007.06.07 13:12 sell 1.00 eurusd 1.3474 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.12 05:49 1.3363 0.00 0.00 8.90 1 110.00
13320929 2007.06.07 15:53 buy 1.00 nzdusd 0.7571 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 18:24 0.7558 0.00 0.00 0.00 -260.00
13320931 2007.06.07 15:53 sell 1.00 audusd 0.8461 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.07 18:24 0.8443 0.00 0.00 0.00 360.00
13354374 2007.06.08 15:47 sell 1.00 nzdusd 0.7526 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.11 13:35 0.7505 0.00 0.00 -13.40 420.00
13354377 2007.06.08 15:47 buy 1.00 audusd 0.8423 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.11 13:35 0.8427 0.00 0.00 1.80 80.00
13360167 2007.06.08 22:09 buy 1.00 audusd 0.8446 0.0000 0.0000 2007.06.11 13:35 0.8427 0.00 0.00 1.80 -380.00
0.00 0.00 -48.02 3 060.59
Closed P/L: 3 012.57
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Lots Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
13316389 2007.06.07 13:29 sell 1.00 chfjpy 99.23 0.00 0.00 98.33 0.00 0.00 -13.92 739.47
13316388 2007.06.07 13:29 buy 1.00 eurjpy 163.65 0.00 0.00 162.62 0.00 0.00 29.30 -846.48
0.00 0.00 15.38 -107.01
Floating P/L: -91.63
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Lots Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions
Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 10 000.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 3 012.57 Floating P/L: -91.63 Margin: 2 165.56
Balance: 13 012.57 Equity: 12 920.94 Free Margin: 10 755.38
Details:
Gross Profit: 7 702.45 Gross Loss: 4 689.88 Total Net Profit: 3 012.57
Profit Factor: 1.64 Expected Payoff: 44.30
Absolute Drawdown: 0.00 Maximal Drawdown (%): 1 383.82 (10.42%)
Total Trades: 68 Short Positions (won %): 33 (60.61%) Long Positions (won %): 35 (60.00%)
Profit Trades (% of total): 41 (60.29%) Loss trades (% of total): 27 (39.71%)
Largest profit trade: 1 118.90 loss trade: -1 005.62
Average profit trade: 187.86 loss trade: -173.70
Maximum ($): 4 (595.12) consecutive losses ($): 2 (-1 383.82)
Maximal consecutive profit (count): 1 118.90 (1) consecutive loss (count): -1 383.82 (2)
Average consecutive wins: 2 consecutive losses: 1

A month has passed, but because of the lack of time I have missed many trading days because the possibility to allow the Expert Advisor to work normally from opening a position till closing appears only in its spare time. Now I can say for sure that the dynamics of correlation coefficient difference is stable and always repeats, though with a small difference, but with the same result. It does not matter which currency dominates and pulls the others. For example, the latest AUD and NZD trades have shown this very clearly: at the end of last week there was a significant rise in the NZD, while the AUD, closed almost within Friday's range. The loss at that time on three hedges (6 positions) was $2000 and a little bit and the main part of it was on AUD and NZD hedges. However, I was sure that if NZD didn't go for AUD, as it usually does, then AUD will definitely catch up with NZD in the middle of this week (I checked on the history since 1999). As you can see, already in the early hours of Monday the NZD was back to square one and fell lower, significantly outpacing the AUD in the fall. As a result: $420 on the NZD and $80 on the AUD. Same situation with EURUSD and GBPUSD. EURJPY and CHFJPY are still open, but I can confidently say that in a day or two and the difference in correlation will reach the opposite of the initial value, and then this hedge may be used for profit taking. By the way, you can wait as long as you want since the swaps amount is positive, but still you cannot wait long.

As for going on air. I can't say anything about broadcasting the results on the real account, but I will try to do it. At the moment we are busy with opening an account at the broker and providing all the necessary conditions for the stable operation of the terminal and EAs. By the end of the month, if everything goes according to plan, I will begin work on the real account.

 
Can you please tell me how you consider the correlation?
 
DrawDown:

...the dynamics of the difference in correlation coefficients are stable and always repeatable...

...the difference in correlation will reach the opposite of the initial value

May I ask: correlation of what to what?

And if it is not a secret, can you give us the absolute values of the correlation coefficients which are used to make a trade decision?

Reason: