Discussion of article "Self-adapting algorithm (Part IV): Additional functionality and tests" - page 4

 
Petros Shatakhtsyan:

Here, I'll help you see the error of your ways.

I didn't read the article, don't even know what it's about :) but just looked at the graphs and stats for 10 minutes.

I want to ask a few questions first.

1. What server was used for testing. If it is on the MetaQuotes-Demo server, then there the quotes with a very low spread and no commission. Sometimes the spread is reduced to zero and even below zero. You can check it.

2. All ticks mode, do you mean "Every tick" mode ? If yes, these are simulated ticks, not real ones.

Try testing in "Every tick based on real ticks" mode .

But that's all right.

The main problem you have is the maximum drawdown. If you compare it with monthly growth, there is a big difference between them, and when you try to increase profitability, you will get Stop Out.

Usually, when brokerage companies or investors are looking for traders to manage their funds, one of the main conditions is this: for 3 months of trading, get a monthly gain of at least 5%, with a total maximum drawdown of no more than 10%.

This is of course not a standard for everyone. But roughly like this.

Look what you have going on.

Forex quotes from admiral real, appl from stock account, moex downloaded from finam custom symbols. I know how to test, I know how real ticks differ from synthetic ones. In the article, tests in ohlc mode, the results are not very different from the ticks, I specially make algorithms so that the differences were minimal, inside the bar is made minimum, timeframe m1.
I can make beautiful graphs of profitability, here every third person can do it, the point is not in beautiful graphs, but in the fact that he does everything himself! If you want pictures, open a market.
There was a time, I made 50% per month on real accounts, it's not difficult, but for some reason I strive to reduce profitability and increase stability, probably not everyone here understands it. But the accounts were not small (far from 1000 dollars).
Still, you should read what is written before writing meaningless messages.
I have eyes, I can analyse backtests and see on them everything that others see. I have shown the theoretical basis and how it works.
Besides, the algorithm will be improved. But not everyone will understand what is written.
 
Maxim Romanov:
Forex quotes from admiral real, appl from stock account, moex custom symbols downloaded from finam. I know how to test, I know how real ticks differ from synthetic ones. In the article, tests in ohlc mode, the results are not very different from ticks, I specially make algorithms so that the differences were minimal, inside the bar is done at a minimum, timeframe m1.
I can make beautiful graphs of profitability, here every third person can do it, the point is not in beautiful graphs, but in the fact that he does everything himself! If you want pictures, open the market.
There was a time, I made 50% per month on real accounts, it's not difficult, but for some reason I strive to reduce profitability and increase stability, probably not everyone here understands it. But the accounts were not small (far from 1000 dollars).
Still, you should read what is written before writing meaningless messages.
I have eyes, I can analyse backtests and see on them everything that others see. I showed the theoretical basis and how it works.
Besides, the algorithm will be improved. But not everyone will understand what is written.

You don't want to hear criticism?

You need to spend only 5 minutes to test at another broker, on real ticks and show the results starting from 01.01.2020 and show right here.

And if you say that it works without optimisation on all symbols, you could show the test results (table) in the mode "On all symbols from Market Watch", selecting 40-50 pairs.

That would be interesting for everyone.

 
Petros Shatakhtsyan:

You don't want to hear criticism?

You only need to spend 5 minutes to test at another broker, on real ticks and show the results starting from 01.01.2020 and show it right here.

And if you say that it works without optimisation on all symbols, you could show the test results (table) in the mode "On all symbols from Market Watch", selecting 40-50 pairs.

That would be interesting for everyone.

I don't want to interfere, but since you are talking about modelling quality and have uploaded this information into the working areas of your brain, can I ask you what it means: Testing on real ticks and history quality 4% in the results?

 
BillionerClub:

I don't want to interfere but since you are talking about the quality of modelling and have uploaded this information to the working areas of the brain, can I ask you what it means: Testing on real ticks and in the results the quality of modelling is only 4%

You should know that the possibility to test on real ticks (on MT5) appeared about 4 years ago (I don't remember exactly). I am talking about the Every tick based on real ticks mode .

And if the tick history is not enough, simulated ticks are used. Of course, not all brokers have it, but mostly the quality of real ticks is 100%.

 
Petros Shatakhtsyan:

You don't want to hear criticism?

You only need to spend 5 minutes to test at another broker, on real ticks and show the results starting from 01.01.2020 and show it right here.

And if you say that it works without optimisation on all symbols, you could show the test results (table) in the mode "On all symbols from Market Watch", selecting 40-50 pairs.

That would be interesting for everyone.

So why do I need to test from another when I have already tested on ticks from a real account? I can show the test for a month in comparison ohlc and on ticks ha one instrument. And it's not 5 minutes. One run for 2 years on 28 instruments takes a month of real real time. I want criticism, but not of return charts, but of methods.
 

Automated experts should always have their advantages over live traders. The approach is correct and it only remains to wish good luck in finding the parameters of the machine.

  • A human is not able to analyse with increasing number of instruments <7
  • The machine trades around the clock without breaks for illness and emotions.
  • The machine has advantages in speed unavailable to traders for decision making.
  • The market is a big machine where everything and everyone has long been calculated AI gives with the same probability as averages.
  • Very much up to the hole popular symbols are not for AI only if AI is not speedy
If the Machine uses its advantages of course it will win.

 
Maxim Romanov:
So why should I test with another when I have already tested on ticks from a real account? I can show a month test comparing ohlc and on ticks ha one instrument. And it's not 5 minutes. One run for 2 years on 28 instruments takes a month of real real time. I want to criticise, but not the yield charts, but the methods.

You show a lot of charts for several years.

If you want your TS to be evaluated, show at least the test results NOT on ticks (Every Tick), but on real ticks ( Every tick based on real ticks), at least for this year, for 3-4 pairs.

Is it also difficult ?

 
Petros Shatakhtsyan:

Here you are showing a lot of graphs, over several years.

If you want your TS to be evaluated, show at least the results of the test NOT on ticks (Every Tick), but on real ticks ( Every tick based on real ticks), at least for this year, for 3-4 pairs.

Is it also difficult ?

You're not reading what I'm writing correctly, it seems. I don't understand where you got the idea that I tested on simulated ticks. Naturally I tested to make sure that the results match on ohlc with the results on real ticks. Moreover, the robot is originally made so that everything coincides. But okay, I will show later the comparison of ohlc mode and real ticks as soon as I make the tests. I don't understand why though... I'm not proving anything, just showing the methodology and how it works. I don't sell anything to anyone, who cares how my implementation of the algorithm works.

 

Dear Maxim !

Keep on going. The topic of self-tuning Expert Advisors is very interesting to me. I tried to implement it myself, but I can't reach it. OOP is already hard for me. And do not listen to well-wishers. They would like to blame their ineptitude on someone else - this is not the way it is, that is not the way it is. They can't run it on their own history of ticks or in real life. They are experienced. Good luck!

 
Only there are not only forex but also stock futures, where algorithms can find signals of decent quality due to mass analysis.