Discussion of article "Grid and martingale: what are they and how to use them?" - page 2

[Evgeniy Zhdan]

Evgeniy Ilin:

Then change the title of the article as the title does not match the content. Clickbait.

[Heroix]

The article is purely theoretical. It is not clear on which symbol the TS was tested, at what time. Maybe the author ran the grid during news hours... It is rightly said that you need to know how to cook.

[khorosh]

My last Expert Advisor using martingale has been showing steady and good profits since May 2016. No optimiser was used and all parameters, which are few, were determined by visual testing. Explicitly stoploss is not used. There is a provision for closing a loss at a drawdown exceeding a certain threshold determined on the basis of the maximum drawdown according to the test result. The bet is made on the fact that closing a loss will happen rarely enough, so rarely that the Expert Advisor earns significantly more than it loses.

[Renat Akhtyamov]

Vitaly Muzichenko:

Pyramiding is also a net, but doesn't drain when applied correctly

let's try to figure it out in public, right is right?

[Evgeniy Ilin]

Maxim Kuznetsov:
In the classic, taken from roulette and "the problem of ruin", martingale, the bet is counted so as to immediately repay the loss of the series with a small start.

Due to spreads and other costs, the coefficient will be more than 2.

But there are always nuances. Firstly, it makes no sense to consider without balance and equity chart. Secondly, it is not necessary to pay off everything at once.

By the way, the grid and pyramids also correlate with martin

that's the point of the article was to show that it's all the same without knowing the direction of movement at the moment of opening at least one trade, that it all works according to the formula where the general maths is described. It describes any strategy, absolutely any strategy. Of course, there can be a lot of variations of the grid and martin and hybrids of all kinds too. But without additional knowledge about the market, it will all lead to failure. As the probability of price movement in any direction is equal to 0.5 at chaotic opening.

[Evgeniy Ilin]

Evgeniy Zhdan:
Then change the title of the article as the title does not match the content. Clickbait.

And what to change it to? Why netting and martin is a plum ? If so write who will be interested in it is one, and two it is misinformation because not every grid and martin drains, khorosh wrote that his martin does not drain, it is possible. But with the right application. You need additional data about the market. He applies them. That is, he knows how to cut off big losers, in other words, he has additional information about the market, so he gets profit. It is the same with the grid. Perhaps it is my mistake that I wrote everything short, perhaps I should have made it more weighty.

[Evgeniy Ilin]

Heroix:
The article is purely theoretical. It is not clear on which symbol the TS was tested, at what time. Maybe the author ran the grid during news hours... Rightly said that you need to know how to cook.

Expert Advisors are attached, test yourself on any timeframe, tested on Eurodollar. Timeframe is practically irrelevant for these Expert Advisors. The article is theoretical and practical, the test is present. To be able to prepare it means to have some additional information about the market, for example about the corridor and its minimum duration, about the trend and its predicted duration. Or about the maximum drawdown for example.

[Vitaly Muzichenko]

Renat Akhtyamov:

let's try to figure out in public, the right thing to do is what?

Well, you can think logically and not ask :)

P.S. By the way, yes, I just dropped a screen of pyramiding, working on the trawl, are experimenting, how to better

[Evgeniy Ilin]

Speaking of pyramiding, it is all the same, there is a similarity with the grid, the grid also tries to eat up more movement, but what in pyramiding that in the grid, you need to know the beginning of the impulse, in what direction is not important. It's all the same. You can just open two positions towards each other with short stop losses and distant profits, and the same thing will happen, but you will pay less spread than in a grid or pyramiding, and these are your grids and pyramiding, you only give more money to the broker and that's all.

[Evgeniy Ilin]

Vitaly Muzichenko:

Well, you can think logically and not ask :)

P.S. By the way, yes, I just dropped a screen of pyramiding, works on the trawl, are experimenting, how to better

I have an Expert Advisor for trawl, it doesn't even need pyramiding. you just open one position and trawl depending on the loss. It works on the whole history, all pairs without optimisation. But while it does something wrong on the real market, I need to rewrite it. But it works fine in the tester. By the way, the trawl can be used more effectively. In essence, it is the exploitation of the wave structure of the market, only there the algorithm can be further strengthened. I have prototypes, old ones, but they work.