Discussion of article "Grid and martingale: what are they and how to use them?" - page 7

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Renat Akhtyamov:

I've just done the math, and you've got a minus profit.

you need sell 1,2,3,4 (what lot and at what price).

or better, if possible, the whole series of bucks and sells from the beginning of the grid opening to its closing - prices and lots.

it is easier to understand what was said and how it is traded.

here it's a usual Shifter with a martingale :)))) --- or rather as - usually martinets one side to the limit - until the depot is not drained - and here a small limitation - put a bet (for example, buy) and you have a moose - then you re-shoe and put a sell - if there takek caught, then so and put a sell to your moose - where the flip - and again put a buy - (applying martini - increasing the lot) to repel the old moose on the buy....

I'll tell you right away the system is manual - as the definition of trend flatness and in what direction is not formalised - but the eyes see - that's the direction and we open ... :) and a dozen more subtleties :))))))

 
yikes... and break your accounts - you couldn't calculate the profit in minus.... maybe the pictures were not enough - but all bets eventually gave pluses = winning back your losers - allowed earlier.
 
Aleksander:
yikes... and break your accounts - you couldn't calculate the profit in minus.... maybe the pictures were not enough - but all bets eventually gave pluses = winning back their losers - allowed earlier.
Are you able to write an EA on this system? I certainly understand that you can win with this system, but without tests on the whole history, it's just a successful example taken out of statistics. Take your test, it's just a chart, no timeframe, no duration, nothing. I have received such charts in packs as I think and many people here, with a long test it all drains. It just catches a fat moose sooner or later and all the joy ends there. I don't want to upset you, but you just got lucky. When they say that the system is manual, it means that the owls either cannot be done, or are too lazy to do it, or lack knowledge. If you can see the chart and understand where all this will go next or at least determine the levels where the price will not go further, then you are vangueting quite hard ). Everyone knows that it is impossible to determine exactly where the price will go. You wrote that a simple application of martin will give the chart up ? And what will you do when the margin runs out ? You can't increase lots indefinitely either. You must know that a series of losses will not exceed a maximum value, which is impossible to know in principle, you will still get a loss sooner or later. These are mathematical facts that are confirmed by theory and practice. Listen to you now everyone will rush to martinet and netochnichayut and then those who got lucky you will say little man, yes, and those who lost, learn the math. The fact that you raised on the system does not mean that everyone will be so, you were lucky.
 
Aleksander:
yikes... and break your accounts - you couldn't calculate the profit in minus.... maybe the pictures were not enough - but all bets in the end gave pluses = winning back their losiks - allowed earlier.

It's a simple calculation.

on the orders in the picture. which fit, you have a minus of 0.1 lot per 30 pips.

You need a complete picture:

need sell 1,2,3,4 (which lot and at what price)

 
Renat Akhtyamov:

elementary count

on the orders in the picture. that fit, you have minus 0.1 lot per 30 pips.

You need a complete picture:

need sell 1,2,3,4 (what lot and at what price)

There he has a series of trades starts in any direction, if the direction is wrong he increases the lot to a certain value. In this case it is 0.2 to repel the previous two lots. If 0.2 does not work, he makes a trade reversal and increases the lot 2 times more, and it becomes 0.4 to repel this last moose and the ones that followed it. If the moose is repelled, he resets the lot to the original value and continues the series in the same direction in which the last profit was. And so the cycle repeats. Everything is clear there, but it's just a couple of cycles with reversal. It's not a global backtest. Sooner or later he will get such a case where the price will always go in the opposite direction from his flip and he will always have to increase the lot until he runs out of margin or until the order is closed by the broker to avoid negative balance. This is the end of all joy.
 
Renat Akhtyamov:

elementary count

on the orders in the picture. that fit, you have minus 0.1 lot per 30 pips.

You need a complete picture:

you need sell 1,2,3,4 (what lot and at what price).

It's not even 0.1, it's 0.9. Total loss 270 quid. And it seems that monitoring is not from this strategy
 
Aleksander:

it's a regular shifter with martingay :)))) --- more precisely as - usually martinets one side to the limit - until the depot is not drained - and here a small limitation - put a bet (for example, buy) and you have a moose - then you re-shoe and put sell - if there takek caught, then so and put a sell to your moose - where the flip - and again put a buy - (applying martini - increasing the lot) to repel the old moose on the bike ...

I'll tell you right away the system is manual - as the definition of trend flatness and in what direction is not formalised - but the eyes see - that's the direction and we open ... :) and a dozen more subtleties :))))))

I have the same thing, the value of stop loss and takeout changes. Martin up to the second knee, then smooth averaging.

 
Renat Akhtyamov:
It's not even 0.1, it's 0.9. Total loss 270 quid. And I don't think it's the strategy that's being monitored

He just threw a picture and didn't explain anything. To me, the first series of trades is 0.5 and if you add up their lots. Then he does a flip and sell5 opens 0.4. This makes no sense at all as he is essentially locking his buys. Instead, you can just close 0.4 buys and there will be 0.1 left, the next sell6 also makes no sense as there is still 0.1 buys and you can close the buy, but it will be exactly the same equivalent if you open a locking sell with the same volume. and only sell7 can be opened as there are no positions left. With sell7 a new cycle of sells will start, which ends with buy10 at 0.4 lot, which also has no sense at all because it completely locks open sells. That leaves only buy11.

I don't think it's like that, it's more like the second option.

I think that he has stops on the grid levels, that is, he does not buy and sell, but opens when there are no hanging orders, then if you calculate the profit of all orders, there are 2 plus cycles, the cycles end with lots 0.4. These trades compensate all losses for 1 cycle. When the cycle ends, he opens a new one with lot 0.1 and everything starts again. In this case, everyone is on the plus side. But you should not be happy about it, because there is also equity and not only balance. Raising the bets equity will sooner or later draw the zero line and the broker will give us hara-kiri.

 
People forget about this method, you will lose. Read the article carefully, I wrote just so that people do not do such things. You'll thank me later. Pay special attention to the mathematics and you will understand why all these dances are useless if you do not know where the price will go. Don't look at these pictures. No backtest for at least 10 years means "goodbye" and not "from now on, more details".
 
Evgeniy Ilin:
People, forget about this method, you will lose. Read the article carefully, I wrote just so that people do not do such things. You'll thank me later. Pay special attention to the mathematics and you will understand why all these dances are useless if you do not know where the price will go. Don't look at these pictures. No backtest for 10 years at least means "goodbye" and not "from now on, more details".
There's only a plus here, except for the article.
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