How to use Support and Resistance Effectively - page 33

steveshutts
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steveshutts  
hagadol:
Will be interesting to here Bubble's comments on this one. From my 30 min perspective I was keen on a long, though stayed out after checking up on the 4 hr where there is 'massive' area of SBR. If too much conflict stay out ! To enter a trade I always check to see there is a reasonable clean run ahead without a barrier/s. What is a reasonable clean run is open for discussion !? Usually on a higher time frame the stop is likely be wider than on a shorter one, though in both cases depends on past price action.

Yep, we must always confirm with the higher timeframes, that is the key! The 30 min timeframe is a nice one and is great to trade in and out of the price swings on the larger timeframes.

XKR1962
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XKR1962  

Hi Steve,

using the 4h tf I don't see how you worked out your entry, it appears you have entered at a potential LH.

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steveshutts
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steveshutts  
XKR1962:
Hi Steve, using the 4h tf I don't see how you worked out your entry, it appears you have entered at a potential LH.

Here, i have marked on the series of LL's and LH's on the chart. The short was taken with respect to this 4hr chart, which is clearly in a downtrend!

The short was taken from the second touch of that old support area, which is clearly visible on the 1 hour chart.

If you are long, then fine, everyone sees things different, if not, the market would be a boring place, and completely untradeable!

If it gets down there, i will be looking to scale out at the 1906 area, where price bounced on the hourly. Then move stop to BE and look for main target of 1813 area, which is the 4hr target. But 1906 will be about 60 pips, so not a bad area to pare some profits. Then again, it could find support at 50 and come bak up and stop me out, if it does, then so be it!

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XKR1962  

Hi Steve,

thanks for clarifying things. Have a good day.

kuky969
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kuky969  
steveshutts:
It always depends which timeframe you are operating from. I would not consider this trade a counter trend trade as i am trading off the 4 hour chart. You will often see a trend in the opposite direction on the lower timeframe as price retraces. In this instance, the 1hr timeframe trend is up, but it has reached a major reistance level, which is the old support level on the 4 hour. That level was a very strong support level, which price has broke through.

Price hit it once, which can be seen on the hourly, it has since made a stop run on any early shorts with the second spike up. We now have an inverted hammer on the 1hr.

I am not saying that this will be a winning trade, but i am simply looking for opps that are high probability. IMO, given Bubbles technique, this looks like it has a high prob of rebounding off this level and continuing in the major direction of the 4hr and daily trend.

If it doesn't, then we lose and its on to the next one!!

I may be wrong and i am sure Bubble will correct me if i am!

Steve

thanks it is nice and clear explanation ..i think you will be right

steveshutts
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steveshutts  
bubble:
Steve,

a bit of tricky one this one , initially your analysis is correct , my only concern here is that coming up from the low we have some supports that were taken out during the swing down , which suggest that this trade may be a correction from the swing up from the low even so considering your entry point and your t/p it looks like its turned out ok my own thoughts on this would of been to stand aside.

The eurjpy gave a very good signal this morning with a clearly defined entry with a second retest into its range.

bubble

Nice trade there Bubble. If you get time, would you mind posting a chart identifying what significant supports were taken out, so i can learn from this?

fx2007
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fx2007  

Bubble

I watched the action for hours today and was frustrasted not to find an entry. Take GBPUSD, a big move though only a few minor retraces within, not exactly troughs. All the retraces seem to have been over by the next candle.

Can you add some comments about how we should deal with a session like today, when it shoots away ? I guess the clue to check the type of trend (from the beginning of the thread) though I don't understand how this will change our trading activity.

I am thinking that moving down to the 15 or 5 min in this situation will show some entry points clearer.

Fx2007

midnightrider
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midnightrider  
fx2007:
Bubble

I watched the action for hours today and was frustrasted not to find an entry. Take GBPUSD, a big move though only a few minor retraces within, not exactly troughs. All the retraces seem to have been over by the next candle.

That's trading I'm afraid. The best laid plans & all that

If prices don't play ball & set up within the confines of the particular strategy you're employing at that particular moment, then you aint gonna get positioned. No matter how hard or diligently you watch the market!

Someone else executing via a different method or following an alternative route will undoubtedly have got filled & caught the flow - again, fair enough!

You can't catch every move or prepare for every eventuality.

All youcan do, is ensure when prices click into place according to yourparameters, you're ready & able to take it on.

But even then, you aint gonna catch em all. The markets are a real pain in the ass sometimes.

midnightrider
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midnightrider  
fx2007:
I am thinking that moving down to the 15 or 5 min in this situation will show some entry points clearer.

I'd like to add something on this comment if I may? I'm not gonna dwell on it & certainly not going to lecture - what folks do with their money & trade accounts is their business!

But - be very, very carefulwhen attempting to execute on small timeframes in FX. If you're an experienced operator with a good platform engine, a very reliable ticker/squawk (market chatter) & pretty good reaction awareness, then you got a head start on the crowd.

This mornings activity is a very good example & ties in with your comment fx2007.

Having an awareness of where the probable lines of engagements were stacked this morning, & more importantly who were defending/watching them would have added a little more confidence to configuring a potential b/o set-up. The "chatter" stood up to the levels for sure & these insights very often do.

The 2 charts highlight bubble's earlier statement re: the lower support & the comments attachment helps tie the levels together.

Now I'm not saying you need this info to trade, nor am I suggesting it's relevant all the time - but quite often (in certain circumstances)... knowledge is power!

However, the longer you remain active & profitable in this business, & the more you remain faithful to a sensible, workable strategy, the more you'll begin to take advantage of those driving prices at certain levels by the very virtue of the fact you're following a well prepared, effectively researched & consistant strategy model.

This thread which bubble has kindly opened is aimed at offering an execution model which is based on sensible analysis with clear defined entry & risk management parameters. More often than not, it also mirrors the activity of those with strong influence on levels & zones.

Funny that

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midnightrider
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midnightrider  

Another one to chalk onto the observation map. Didn't take it personally, but nonetheless, it fits the criteria.

Canadian housing stats out later, which might offer some added spice - but this one is running with the overall long term bearish flows.

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