AI 2023. Meet ChatGPT. - page 152

 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:

like a person is not a physical object and doesn't create any information.

fields create information just like that. And fields with matter create information.

information doesn't create anything, including matter. It just reflects the structure of data. It's an abstraction.

Man is a physical object like everything else. He interacts exclusively with matter and nothing else. Reads information from a material medium, processes it.

The question is what "creates information" means. He writes a Harry Potter book, he creates it. But, given the infinite existence of the universe, and its infinite extent in all directions, there have already existed also an infinite number of times all sorts of civilisations, and there are, which have already created Harry Potter. Well, maybe the surname had one "t". Anyway, that's the philosophical aspect of it. I mean, a man kneads clay, moving matter, but he can't touch information. He cognises it.

So the notion of "creating information" is something out of context already.

 
Ivan Butko #:

Man is a physical object like everything else. He interacts exclusively with matter and nothing else. Reads information from a material medium, processes it.

The question is what "creates information" means. He writes a Harry Potter book, he creates it. But, given the infinite existence of the universe, and its infinite extent in all directions, there have already existed also an infinite number of times all sorts of civilisations, and there are, which have already created Harry Potter. Well, maybe the surname had one "t". Anyway, that's the philosophical aspect of it. I mean, a man kneads clay, moving matter, but he can't touch information. He cognises it.

So the notion of "creating information" is something out of context already.

It's a sad story. We are confused in 3 pines.
 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:
It's a sad story. It's a three-way street.
No. It's just that the boards don't see the difference between information and its medium.

So it's not confusion, it's ignorance.
 
Алексей Тарабанов #:

To describe the structure of an atom does not mean to determine how exactly it should be constructed. There are laws of existence of Matter and man can only cognise them on the basis of data analysis.

At the same time man does not create new Information, but only cognises existing Information.

Cognises existing information? Let's understand it in detail.

When cognising an object of the external world, a person carries out a complex work - interacts with the external object and through sensory organs receives data streams, which are combined into a preliminary model and makes the first interpretations of the interaction experience. Then, continues observation, collects new data, structures new representations and complicates interpretations. Then, consolidates the assumptions into hypotheses and theories, but does not stop there and criticises the conclusions, testing the stability of the concepts through feedback from the subject, and constantly looking for evidence of the objectivity of the results achieved.

In the end, the sum of the collected data - a synthetic information product obtained by considerable effort and painstaking labour of the human mind - is simply attributed to matter, claiming that it HAS told us everything about itself by transmitting all the information to us through the waves. Allegedly, the theory of the atom's structure already existed somewhere, and man only tuned in to the frequency and accepted all explanations from matter. Sounds a bit silly, doesn't it?

Man cognises not information, but the object "beyond the horizon". With information he describes it long and painfully, with mistakes and inaccuracies.

Matter through interaction provides only data. And this is the first stage in the creation of information. But data without interpretation is not information.


 
Алексей Тарабанов #:

In this case, a person does not create new Information, but only cognises existing Information.

Existing information? 🥴
 
Sergey Gridnev #:

Can we over summarise?

Write something useful.

Shall I list the shit you've written in your last 10 posts?

There's nothing but brackets and remarks, you're just a blabbermouth.

 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:
It's a sad story. We're confused about three different things.

What's the difference?

Ale, this is for your information ....

Information as a reduction of uncertainty....

Because the 3 pines are not clear to everyone)))))))

 
Valeriy Yastremskiy #:

What's the difference?

Ale, this is for your information ....

Information as a reduction of uncertainty....

Otherwise 3 pine trees are incomprehensible to everyone)))))

Wha? difference between what and what?

are you all trying to integrate the concept of information into your worldview? You can't just integrate it, you have to study philosophy at your leisure.

Starting with the simplest definitions, then complicate it to the modern understanding and connect it with other philosophical categories like Matter, Being, Quantity, Form, etc.

In the end, you'll end up with the duality of the mind, of course, but still. When you come to this point, a kind of nirvana comes.

is if you want enlightenment. If not, then define it as you wish :)
 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:

What? The difference between what and what?

are you all trying to integrate the concept of information into your worldview? You can't just integrate it, you have to study philosophy at your leisure.

Starting with the simplest definitions, then complicate it to the modern understanding and connect it with other philosophical categories like Matter, Being, Quantity, Form, etc.

In the end, you'll end up with the duality of the mind, of course, but nevertheless. When you come to this point, a kind of nirvana comes.

is if you want enlightenment. If not, then define it as you wish.)

Well through duality of mind and the world to understand the difference of context of the word info in different phrases is cool)))).

And so, yes, one should read, and even philosophers)))))

 
Valeriy Yastremskiy #:

Well through the duality of mind and world to understand the different context of the word infa in different phrases is cool))))

And so, yes, it is necessary to read, and even philosophers))))))

Well it's not the world, it's the mind. The world is a concept of mind. Understanding the nature of mind, you understand all its concepts.
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