Discussion of article "Andrey Voitenko (avoitenko): "Developers benefit from the ideas that they code? Nonsense!""
:-) If we formalise the term "Have" - then the function "gain experience" - can cause a failure of the program code, in the logic of the author of the article......
Still I wonder - why suppliers of ideas should pay more of their money than they do now, why executors don't pay more for ideas, or at least don't agree to the minimum?
:-) The answer is actually very simple! But, I would like to hear opinions!
Don't flatter yourself. Customers do not shine with ideas. For several years you can count on the fingers of one hand the customers with unique orders, and what is interesting - these people did not haggle and paid much more than requested.
About "have", it's not ideas that are acquired, but programming experience (today do it this way, tomorrow do the same thing differently, you get a view on the same algorithms, but from different sides).
Believe me, any programmer who has been working on this topic for at least half a year or a year has so many ideas in his head that a team of ten people cannot codify them in ten years. A customer, even his own idea, as a rule, is not fully thought out.
The answer is actually very simple!
Yay! I've waited for the first reaction to the interview.
The phrase "gain experience" should be understood as gaining practical experience in writing working code, not in the sense of gaining other people's ideas.
There is a big difference between an idea in theory and one that is implemented in practice and brings profit. Isn't it?!
It is for the translation from the world of ideas into the real world that I ask customers for money. Strangely, they agree to it. What's that about?
One very famous coder here (he doesn't appear on the forum now, sort of) once wrote a couple of years ago that he made somewhere in the neighbourhood of 300 EAs to order. And only one or two of them had an idea worth testing. All the rest were trivial, no flight of fancy.
In other words, the probability of somethingworthwhile is beyond three sigma, i.e. at the level of defects in industry :)
Don't flatter yourself. Customers do not shine with ideas. For several years you can count on the fingers of one hand the customers with unique orders, and what is interesting - these people did not haggle and paid much more than requested.
About "have", it's not ideas that are acquired, but programming experience (today do it this way, tomorrow do the same thing differently, you get a view on the same algorithms, but from different sides).
Believe me, any programmer who has been working on this topic for at least half a year or a year has so many ideas in his head that a team of ten people cannot codify them in ten years. But a customer, even his own idea, as a rule, is not fully thought out.
Why should I flatter myself, I do not reproach you in generalisations, if you are talking about the customer as about me - then you in vain accuse me of ill-conceived my TOR....
If you are talking about customers in general, then talk to them and accuse them of flattery.....
Yes, the answer is banal to the point of simplicity: your idea is of no interest or use to anyone. Not even you, I guess.
One very famous coder here (he doesn't appear on the forum now, sort of) once wrote a couple of years ago that he made somewhere in the neighbourhood of 300 EAs to order. And only one or two of them had an idea worth testing. All the rest were trivial, no flight of fancy.
In other words, the probability of somethingworthwhile is beyond three sigma, i.e. at the level of defects in industry :)
I agree, totally, totally, ... so what... I do not claim that every second order is a groyal, I believe that in every third order there is a little logic not devoid of rationality and separating the grain from the chaff, orders from twenty you can screw a couple of wheels to your advisor. :-)
Well, not in every third - well in every fifth, well out of 150 - 1, as in your example.
You value your abilities as a programmer, why don't you value the abilities of customers as suppliers of ideas? And it's not that they are not valued, they are just trampled on and muddied and elementary not respected, at least just as opinions.
I assure you, among programmers, take 300 of them - how many of them will you estimate as pros?
Yay! I've waited for the first reaction to the interview.
The phrase "gain experience" should be understood as gaining practical experience in writing working code, not in the sense of gaining other people's ideas.
There is a big difference between an idea in theory and one that is implemented in practice and brings profit. Isn't it?!
It is for the translation from the world of ideas into the real world that I ask customers for money. Strangely, they agree to it. Why is that?
You remind me now of that customer who is trying to explain what he meant by his phrase when he wrote something in the specification :-)))))))))))))))))))).
I have a lot of respect for professional programmers, especially if they understand the trade - honestly, and I understand the value of their work....
However, I would like to get to the reason for the existing misunderstanding between customers and executors, - price what - price is just a seeming cause of conflict, it's not about price, I always pay the price I am asked and told - it will cost a hundred.
The misunderstanding exists, you can see that even by the tone of this thread's replies to my opinion.
What, my opinion is now associated with the opinions of all customers that you met on your way - but it's not logical, what am I to you what I did to you, well, not specifically to you, but to some of the opponents posts above?
No one comes to mind to get angry at the Euro rate and try to influence it by comments.....
Good time to build up practice and image, liquidity - in some perspective, I think it will get better :-)
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