Discussion of article "Andrey Voitenko (avoitenko): "Developers benefit from the ideas that they code? Nonsense!"" - page 2

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IvanIvanov:

:-) If we formalise the term "Have" - then the function "gain experience" - can cause software code failure, in the logic of the author of the article......

Still I wonder - why idea providers should pay more of their money than they do now, why performers don't pay more for ideas, or at least don't agree to the minimum?

:-) The answer is actually very simple! But, I would like to hear opinions!

Ivan, already wrote on one of the forums. The task of an MT programmer is reduced to knocking out rubbish from the customer's head. The fact is that 99.9% of works are: indicator advisors, monkeys, graders. All this is rubbish by definition. TA based on indicators does not work. In the process of testing various ideas written by the programmer, if the customer is not stupid, he comes to this conclusion - the goal is achieved. The value of the mql language comes down to the possibility of writing convenient auxiliary tools for manual or semi-automatic trading.

 
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IvanIvanov:
I still wonder - why should idea providers pay more of their own money than they do now, why don't performers pay more for ideas, or at least agree to the minimum?
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IvanIvanov:
The market, gentlemen - the market regulates prices, and the fact that you, professionals, are now getting few normal orders with normal TOR and adequate cost is just a consequence of the narrowness of the market, its low liquidity.

Some kind of inconsistency. Maybe the minimum that can be easily obtained by more simple activities is offered? Programmers are not idiots to work hard if the same money can be received for other work, working easily.

 
IvanIvanov:

price is just a seeming cause of conflict, it's not about price, I always pay the price I'm asked and told - it will cost a hundred.

I want to believe it, but the history of payment for your orders says rather the opposite.

You are looking for programmers who are ready to work for a pittance, i.e. those who do not know their price yet, or those who have completely lost their self-respect.

As you see, there are no such people in this discussion, that's probably why you find it so difficult to understand us. Although, as they say, "To each his own".

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MrGold166:

Ivan, I have already written on one of the forums. The task of an MT programmer is reduced to knocking rubbish out of the customer's head. The fact is that 99.9% of works are: indicator Expert Advisors, monkeys, graders. All this is rubbish by definition. TA based on indicators does not work. In the process of testing various ideas written by the programmer, if the customer is not stupid, he comes to this conclusion - the goal is achieved. The value of the mql language comes down to the ability to write convenient auxiliary tools for manual or semi-automatic trading.

Well, what can I say - the task of the customer is to knock the rubbish out of the programmer's head....
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Integer:
1. 2.

That's a bit inconsistent. Maybe the minimum offered is a minimum that can be easily obtained by easier activities? Programmers are not idiots to work hard, if the same money can be obtained for other work, working easily.

Meaning.... customers are idiots ?....
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avoitenko:

I would like to believe it, but the history of payments for your orders says rather the opposite.

You are looking for programmers who are ready to work for a pittance, i.e. those who do not know their price yet, or those who have lost their self-respect completely.

As you see, there are no such people in this discussion, that's probably why you find it so difficult to understand us. Although, as they say, "To each his own".

Well - why will I pay if there are options - cheaper, you will stop respecting me - quality - I assure you - at the level ...

do you realise the term liquidity?

 
IvanIvanov:
Meaning.... customers are idiots ?....
I mean that programmers are not idiots to code for the money they can get, for example, working as a night watchman. If someone likes to work that way, go ahead. How long can you stand such a load? IvanIvanov, tell me, will you carry oranges to the programmer in the hospital when he falls down there from overload? You will not, that's why you, Comrade Ivanov, are just an ordinary exploiter who only cares about making himself feel good here and now.
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Integer:
I mean that programmers are not idiots to code for the money they can get, for example, by working as a night watchman. If someone likes to work like that, go ahead. How long will you be able to withstand such a load? IvanIvanov, tell me, will you carry oranges to the programmer in the hospital when he falls down there from overload? You will not, that's why you, Comrade Ivanov, are just an ordinary exploiter who only cares about making himself feel good here and now.

:-) Well, now we're getting to the class division....

Excuse me, but what does anyone here think about the general welfare :-))))))))))))

 
IvanIvanov:
:-) Well, now we get to the class divisions too....
You are very categorical.)))) Anything can be criticised. No one imposes anything on anyone. It is better to say that there is a choice.
 
IvanIvanov:

1. :-) Well, now we're getting to the class division....

2. Excuse me, but what does anyone here think about the general welfare :-))))))))))))

1. Where you come to, you come to.

2. How to explain it properly... for the diametrically opposite case mankind invented guards at the entrance, law enforcement agencies, correctional institutions, compulsory psychiatric treatment....