You have a technical mind, don't you? - page 16

 
pavlick_:
Funny thing comes out, expansion of space, particles with negative mass. That could plug any hole in the theory. Are there any public experiments with desynchronization of clocks in orbit with those on Earth?

Let's add particles with negative mass to the piggy bank of modern science. And other concepts with prefix "negative", but having no relation to the measurement scale, where the minus means the presence of the object, only with a changed state.

There's also: antimatter, antigravity, whatnot... parallel worlds, 17 dimensions... strings. And you won't believe it, but it all sounds beautiful as hell!

 
Yousufkhodja Sultonov:

What happens to time when processes and events fade into history? Apparently, time dies and does not return. So - current time is living time, but, it is instantaneous, and future time has not yet come, we say. And we should apparently say - it has not yet been born.

What is time?

 

Perhaps (most likely), there are things in the world that man cannot in principle understand. Physiologically. To begin with, Nature has severely limited human perception of the environment. Man cannot see in darkness, infra-red, cannot hear ultrasound, cannot feel smallest vibrations, etc...

If man did not have a unique Mind and had not evolved for thousands of years, exploring the world and creating tools of knowledge (many of which are crutches of imperfect senses), he would have as scant understanding of the world as some cave-dwelling Australopithecus. Conclusion - Nature (the Almighty) conceived man as an evolving being, constantly striving to expand the boundaries of his perception and environment, but inherently limited. Limitation is necessary to overcome. Without overcoming, there is no development.

Let us conclude:

  1. Man, has a beginning. Beginning of man is a rudiment of reason, which manifested itself in the struggle for existence.
  2. Man has a way of development, a history of his cognition of the world and striving to grasp it.
  3. Man has potential, possible future in which he will master the world available to him, and will be able to fully realize his inherent abilities.

But can man fully understand Time and Space? At this level of complexity, man's thoughts become confused and he gets caught up in a cycle of theories. He has nothing to hold on to. These things are so basic to our world that to understand them is like exploring one's own brain with the power of one's mind.

At this stage of complexity, perhaps the potential of the human cognitive capacity is exhausted.

 
Aleksey Nikolayev:

You accuse physicists of breaking the laws of logic, when you are the only one breaking them.

Here, elaborate.

I argue that space has no material properties. Only matter has material properties. If something in nature has material properties, then it is matter. If a change of matter in a certain volume of space does not change the volume itself (using the example of water and air in a vessel), then the volume as a spatial quantity has nothing to do with matter, since only objects of material nature can interact with each other.

Hence, space and matter are two different physical objects. The first has the property of freedom of movement and gives volume, but has no material properties, the second has material properties and due to the presence of space, which gives volume (the six orthodox directions), has the ability to exist and move.

Furthermore, two objects that differ in their properties cannot have the same meaning. Definition is given to objects and phenomena that differ from each other. Hence, if space and matter are two different objects, they can neither be called the same, nor have the same meaning.

Alexey, let me know where I violated the laws of logic?

 

If a person proves something "fiercely" it is a sign that he needs something badly. It has nothing to do with competence. I dare to suggest that you know little about leatherwork or peculiarities of Etruscan mythology, and nothing, you won't take an axe and won't even get upset because I doubted your competence.

And here an example which I shall cite here, from area which to all participants of this forum emotionally is close, for certain it will seem to you and rather many, paradoxical. Though to psychology and psychiatry experts the situation is in general trivial and well-studied.

I have decided to get some partners for joint improvement of my forecasting system. Naturally, I entered the forum with a demonstration of real forecasting with a demonstration of real performance. I hoped to catch a creative person interested in it as a bait. After all, someone who is solving the same problem but has not yet gotten to the truth should react to such a demonstration, right? ...dick and other vegetables in addition... It turns out that the word partner is perceived by the whole crowd as "investor" and nothing else. That's a pretty eloquent indicator of intelligence. There's more. You are immediately accused of fraud. Excuse me, gentlemen, but what can I get from you!? But that's not an argument. The law of the pack has come out. A pack smells a stranger and gets aggressive and gets into a fight, despite the fact that the stranger could have fed. These are the oldest laws of society and they dictate the standard of behavior to their subjects. Science, politics or whatever else makes no difference, as long as there is emotional involvement.

But what the hell with it.

 
Ivan Butko:

Here, elaborate.

I argue that space has no material properties. Only matter has material properties. If something in nature has material properties, then it is matter. If a change of matter in a certain volume of space does not change the volume itself (using the example of water and air in a vessel), then the volume as a spatial quantity has nothing to do with matter, since only objects of material nature can interact with each other.

Hence, space and matter are two different physical objects. The first has the property of freedom of movement and gives volume, but has no material properties, the second has material properties and due to the presence of space, which gives volume (the six orthodox directions), has the ability to exist and move.

Furthermore, two objects that differ in their properties cannot have the same meaning. Definition is given to objects and phenomena that differ from each other. Hence, if space and matter are two different objects, they can neither be called the same nor have the same meaning.

This is a very interesting way of looking at the issue.

Let's move into the philosophical realm. About Time.

Time, is the ideal medium for the existence of processes. A process is a successive change of states. If we have matter (something, structure, thing), its existence is a process. A process is the phenomenon of an entity through a successive change of its states (forms, phenomena). And so, Time, is a derivative of an infinite number of processes. Processes are a derivative of infinite change of states (phenomena of a thing).

For instance: tens of thousands of photos are a process if you show them successively in front of the camera lens. It turns out to be a film. However, there is no process inside a single photo. Only a state. There is no time.

Time exists because matter is a wound mechanism which contains an infinite number of processes. If energy of these processes is exhausted, time will disappear. I would say that Time exists for each particular object as one of the dimensions of its being, but Time does not exist by itself. Without matter there is no time.

 
Реter Konow:

I agree.

I believe that the closer one is to the frontier of one's knowledge or feelings, the more likely and more likely one is to be wrong. You have to trust scientists in all things that have been tested and experimentally proven, but I don't think wormholes are among those things. There is a premise to the existing space-time theory, but no proof. So - the more vehemently one proves something in this field, the less competent one is in it.

But, this is my opinion).

If a person proves something "fiercely" it is a sign that he needs something very much. And the level of competence has nothing to do with it. I dare to suggest that you know little about leatherwork or peculiarities of Etruscan mythology, and nothing, you won't take an axe and won't even get upset because I doubted your competence.

And here an example which I shall cite here, from area which to all participants of this forum emotionally is close, for certain it will seem to you and rather many, paradoxical. Although to psychology and psychiatry specialists the situation is in general trivial and well-studied.

I have decided to get some partners for cooperation in improving my system of forecasting. Naturally I entered the forum with a demonstration of real forecasting with a demonstration of real performance. I hoped to catch a creative person interested in it as a bait. After all, someone who is solving the same problem but has not yet gotten to the truth should react to such a demonstration, right? ...dick and other vegetables in addition... It turns out that the word partner is perceived by the whole crowd as "investor" and nothing else. That's a pretty eloquent indicator of intelligence. There's more. You are immediately accused of fraud. Excuse me, gentlemen, what can I get from you!? But that's not an argument. The law of the pack has come out. A pack smells a stranger and gets aggressive and gets into a fight, despite the fact that the stranger could have fed. These are the oldest laws of society and they dictate the standard of behavior to their subjects. Science, politics or whatever makes no difference, as long as there is emotional involvement.

Well, whatever.

 
Ivan Butko:



(1) I argue that space has no material properties. (2) Only matter has material properties.

(1) there is the Casimir effect, when nanoplates are pressed against each other due to vacuum pressure (which can be represented as pairs of opposing virtual particles being born and mutually annihilated), which is practically taken into account when building nano devices. Is pressure a property of matter?

(2) The argument is demagogy of the "oil is butter and therefore it is oil" type.

L.D. Landau was flooded with letters, to which he tried to find time to answer. One young man presented him his picture of physical Universe, to which Landau answered approximately so: "Take up mathematics, study theoretical physics and, already in process of studying, it will become clear to you that you write total nonsense".

 

Space is an equally interesting entity for philosophical analysis.

Of course - it is a dimension.

So, - in order to understand what Space is, one should first understand what"Dimension" is.

Unfortunately, trying to understand what the "Dimension" is, I come to a conclusion that it is a derivative of the human senses. There is a feeling - there is a Dimension. No feeling - no Dimension.

Maybe that's not true.

Maybe the Dimension is a side of the phenomenon.

In other words, if you classify phenomena (or properties) of a Thing, then you involuntarily think of dimensions in which you put them.

Space, is one of the sides of a phenomenon of matter, in which a number of its properties exist.

That is, Space is a shell of some properties of Matter.

Again, IMHO.

 
kran.bara:

If a person proves something "fiercely" it is a sign that he needs something badly. It has nothing to do with competence. I dare to suggest that you know little about leatherwork or peculiarities of Etruscan mythology, and nothing, you won't take an axe and won't even get upset because I doubted your competence.

And here an example which I shall cite here, from area which to all participants of this forum emotionally is close, for certain it will seem to you and rather many, paradoxical. Though to psychology and psychiatry experts the situation is in general trivial and well-studied.

One day I decided to get partners to jointly improve my forecasting system. Naturally, I entered a forum with a demonstration of real-life forecasting with a demonstration of real-life performance. I was hoping to catch a creative person interested in it. After all, someone who is solving the same problem but has not yet gotten to the truth should react to such a demonstration, right? ...dick and other vegetables in addition... It turns out that the word partner is perceived by the whole crowd as "investor" and nothing else. That's a pretty eloquent indicator of intelligence. There's more. You are immediately accused of fraud. Excuse me, gentlemen, what can I get from you!? But that's no argument. The law of the pack is out. A pack smells a stranger and gets aggressive and gets into a fight, despite the fact that the stranger could have fed. These are the oldest laws of society and they dictate the standard of behavior to their subjects. Science, politics or whatever else makes no difference, as long as there is emotional involvement.

But what the hell with it.

What do you want?

And if to philosophize, what is a human being in physical sense of word?

It's nothing more than a blob of energy.

And if it is a blob of energy, then these blobs of energy can be influenced and even controlled by energy. Charge large masses of people positively or negatively.

Which is what is being done in today's world. It's even hard to escape its effects.

Reason: