Selling the Philosopher's Stone - page 10

 
George Merts:

That's what I'm talking about, the quandary is in assessing intelligence. Any human being, even a land mammal, walks - but simply walking on two legs over rough terrain is a daunting task. Is the ability to walk a measure of intelligence?

One may say that "intellect must stand out among others", but can we think of tightrope walkers, who clearly stand out among other people with their ability to balance on a rope, can we claim that their intellect is superior to others? After all, no one doubts that they manage the task of two-legged walking on shaky foundations much better than other people...

It is not enough to know or be able to do something... It is important that this skill or knowledge is of benefit to society. That is when it is real knowledge or skill. The same tightrope walker may demonstrate his skills to those who are interested in him, and here his skill becomes a real skill.


For this evaluation, money has been invented long ago. It is a measure of the usefulness of a person's actions from the point of view of society. And his intellect in particular.

The proof of the Poincaré theorem is one more step in the development of mathematics, and when this step will lead to a real profit for the society is unknown. Right now - this proof is completely useless.

There are other examples. Off the top of my head Miles comes to mind with his proof of Fermat's theorem. What use is that proof? Now - nothing, though, most likely, in the future it will be necessary and will form the basis of this or that theory.

As, say, E.Galois's theory, on which noise-proof coding, without which the second half of XX century and nowadays is unthinkable, is based. In other words, the profit from this theory for the society is undoubted and very big. But the moment Galois formalized his thoughts into a theory, it was not only completely useless, but many of the mathematicians of the time simply didn't understand it. Galois' "reasonableness" from the point of view of society at the time was therefore very questionable, although from the point of view of the present it is unquestionable.

Even a thief who has not been caught is more useful in this sense than the same Perelman. Because he contributes to a more efficient storage and use of society's resources.

Important for whom? For you? Maybe for that very society? Or is it all unimportant at all and you have been made to think so?

Money is exactly the measure of usefulness.

A monkey makes up numbers from 0 to 9 and gets a fruit. Put a monkey on a playpen and he does the same thing for times the reward. Measure its intelligence? Measure the usefulness of its actions to society? For herself?

Intelligence is much more than that... It is the ability to understand more than just the obvious things. Otherwise, your intelligence is limited by some framework that someone has invented for you. You've been narrowed!!! And you haven't even noticed it.

Intelligence, to return to the topic of the thread, is the ability to understand why and for what philosopher's stones are being sold.

There are millions of such "intelligent" monkeys working for Forbes front line representatives. Measure their intelligence (not monkeys of course)? Assess the ability to recruit a bunch of monkeys that will perform certain actions for a banana and generate fabulous profits? This skill is comparable to the ability of a fly to walk on the ceiling - nothing more.

 
nahdi:

Intelligence is much more than that... It is the ability to understand more than just the obvious things. Otherwise, your intelligence is limited by some framework someone has invented for you. You've been narrowed!!! And you haven't even noticed it.

Intelligence, getting back to the topic of the thread, is the ability to understand what philosophical stones sell for and why.

If there's no use for that very ability, there's no point in it. Call it intelligence.

The important thing is that the ability is useful to its owner or to society. Therefore, money is quite a normal measure of usefulness and intelligence.

 
George Merts:

If there is no use for this very ability, there is no point in it. So call it intelligence.

The important thing is that the ability is useful to its owner or to society. That is why money is quite a normal measure of usefulness and intelligence.

"And" is redundant. Intelligence, perhaps, too.

So who is it important for? And why? Does it have to make sense?
 
George Merts:

That's funny... The employer determines the level of your money...

Isn't it you who determines the employer?

If the market doesn't want you it means that you have nothing of value to offer. In that case - your mind can be anything, it doesn't matter - you are still stupid.

Here - as in the second beginning of thermodynamics - the fact that the body has a bunch of "energetic" molecules - doesn't matter. The body is still useless and worthless in terms of energy production.

A monkey's ability to make numbers from 0 to 9 doesn't make it highly intelligent... it doesn't make it useful to society... and it's certainly not the lack of these qualities that makes it useless in making those numbers.

 
nahdi:

A monkey's ability to make numbers from 0 to 9 does not make it highly intelligent... it doesn't make it useful to society... and certainly the lack of these qualities does not deprive it of the ability to make those numbers.


A trader's ability to make a profit on currency fluctuations does not benefit society either

 
Mickey Moose:

The trader's ability to profit from currency fluctuations does not benefit society either

Why not, the purchasing power grows and this has a positive effect on the economy of the country)

 
nahdi:

The poor, spiritually defective people strive for wealth, seeking at least at the expense of wealth to earn the respect they need for some reason... But, gaining millions and not gaining respect, but losing it even more, rich people remain defective rich people.

True monks in monasteries are penniless people. Nevertheless, it would be inappropriate to call them fools.

Well, what exactly do they do in monasteries? Praying for their health and wealth, don't they? What is the sense otherwise?
 
nahdi:

Money is precisely the measure of usefulness.

It is only in a capitalist system... And not always...
 

Money is the sun of life, without which life is hard, gloomy and cold. -Belinsky V.G.

 
Mickey Moose:

The trader's ability to make a profit on currency fluctuations is not good for society either


The mass of traders can be compared to an ELF filter that smoothes out price fluctuations )))) A kind of IIR with a gigantic amount of feedbacks. And since each IIR, if designed incorrectly, may self-excitation, we have a picture, when the real price has nothing to do with the foundation or TA.


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