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paukas:

I'll tell you how small it is to begin with, not a banker!)

Yusuf, you can't make money for everyone. Most people have to lose. If only they had opened a pension fund instead of forex, then yes.


PF is also a scam, what country do you live in? :)

I also think that you can't just take. There is a price to pay for everything. For everything. Not now, but later...

 

I think I finally understand... The afftar wants to abolish leverage. So it wouldn't be a new forex, it would be the old one, it's been working at any exchange office for a long time.

 
AlexeyFX:

I think I finally understand... The afftar wants to abolish leverage. So it wouldn't be a new forex, it would be the old one, it's been working at any exchange office for a long time.

Who's forcing you to use leverage? No one is forcing it.
 
paukas:
And who is forcing you to use leverage? No one is forcing it.

In a marginal spot (and more generally in any marginal market) the trader always uses leverage. And he always trades contracts for difference: there is no delivery of assets, the trader trades not currency, but the expectation of price change (the price of the asset). In other words, the trader is informed what sum of money is spent for opening, what sum of money is spent to maintain the position, what is the minimum amount of money required to maintain the necessary free margin, if any. The rest just adds the amount of free margin: the trader can sit out larger drawdowns or open more positions - it is up to him.

Many people think that if you have 100K and open a position with less than 1 standard lot the leverage is not used - this is not true, otherwise the swaps would not be deducted from the trader either.

2 AlexeyFX 31.03.2011 09:19

So I told him that a long time ago ;)..... The author wants to trade an asset and not on the speculative part of the ASCA. So all this has been working for a long time and, moreover, this is the main part of the ASCA - only the entry price is high, but the profitability there is not so high compared to the marginal, respectively, the risks are lower. Strange that an economist and doesn't take into account (doesn't understand?) that earnings in any kind of business are proportional to risk .....

Good luck.

 
VladislavVG:

In a marginal spot (or more generally in any marginal market) the trader always uses leverage.

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Many believe that if you have 100K and open a position with less than 1 standard lot, the leverage is not used, otherwise swaps would not be charged to the trader.

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This is not true. Leverage is the ratio of equity to leverage. And swaps have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Moreover, sometimes they are not written off and sometimes they are even credited.

 
Neutron:

Here is the result of the search on the link given:

Yusuf, please post here the material to which you are referring in your message.


I will send a screenshot soon, for now such information (sorry the title of the collection is in Tajik, but the report itself is in Russian):

Associate Professor at the Department of Economics and Entrepreneurship Sultonov Yu. "The study of the relationship between the profit of commercial structures and the price of sold goods", Iktisod va tichorat: Zinakhoi rushd (Economics and Commerce: stages of development), BBK 74.58, ISBN 978-99947-50-23-8, "Khuroson" LLC, Khujand, 2010, 568 pages, pp. 195-201. tel. ed. +992(3422)27286.

 
yosuf:

The essence of New Forex is as follows: It is known that now on Forex the real trading starts after you invest your hard-earned money, then in an extremely unstable environment you are asked to perform the act of buying/selling,

Excuse me, but what exactly is the instability of the situation? And how do you propose changing it to stability?

yosuf:

... In the process of which you can lose everything,

That's true. But after all, ANY business is a risk.

yosuf:

... the bait is the illusion of making an immediate profit,

It's not the bait, it's the price of risk.

yosuf:

... and everyone turns a blind eye to the possibility of loss.

Not everyone turns a blind eye. You can lose everything in any business. If you follow MM, the chance of losing everything at once is virtually eliminated.

yosuf:

... The question is, why should such an important act take place in such a risky environment?

Because any game/business involves risk. And the higher the winnings/profits being fought for, the higher the risk. That's the rule. There are exceptions, of course. How else could there be. Paukas has already correctly answered that it is impossible for everyone to be in profit. Not everyone succeeds in traditional business either.

yosuf:

... So that you have no choice, because you are already lured into this gambling environment. Until you're all gone, there's no turning back, rarely does anyone leave the pseudo-market in time.

Here you are right. For whom forex is a game/gambling, so behaves. He Gambles like in a casino. Traders who live on earnings from the financial markets cannot be "lured into the gaming environment", they WORK by their own rules, strictly adhering to the MM. And they do not need any NEW forex.

yosuf:

In contrast, in the New Forex everything happens calmly.

I'm sorry, but I still don't understand the concept of a SAFE, risk-free income.
 
Yes, leverage and margin are different but related. Margin is collateral and it can be without leverage. Leverage is how much the collateral can be less/more than the loan itself. Hence, a trader uses leverage when the loan amount is greater than the collateral amount. You can of course say that 1:1 is also a leverage, but it makes no sense.
 
paukas:

It is not. Leverage is the ratio of equity to leveraged capital. Swaps have absolutely nothing to do with it.

There's more, sometimes they are not written off, and sometimes they even accrue.

Read it carefully. What you are talking about is "leverage" in the banking sense. This is not the case in the margin market or in dealing. Swap is a fee for the use of credit (leverage) including the dealing commission. For a margin spot, it is calculated as the difference of LIBOR or EURIBOR rates for the traded currencies with spot delivery (3 days) depending on the dealing zone ... For non-marginal as the difference between spot and forward rates, if I am not mistaken - there is an abstruse formula .....

If the difference is in the trader's favour, swap is charged. That's why Wednesday is triple swaps ;): on Saturday the delivery cannot be made - it is postponed to Monday .......

Good luck.

 
VladislavVG:

Read it carefully. What you are talking about is "leverage" in the banking sense. This is not the case in the margin market and in dealing. Swap is a fee for the use of credit (leverage) including the dealing commission. It is calculated as the difference of LIBOR or EURIBOR rates for traded currencies with spot delivery (3 days) depending on the zone of the dealing ... If the difference is in the trader's favour, the swap is charged. That is why there are triple swaps from Wednesday to Thursday ;): no delivery can be made on Saturday - it is postponed until Monday .......

Good luck.

Mm-hmm. I wish the article would stick. They don't know where they're going...
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