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rbliuom
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rbliuom  
Vladimir Perervenko:
I have not forgotten his promise, but as the time is always short. Made in the near future.

Hi Vladimir

Take your time. For me, there is no time to beat. And there is so much know-how in all this sections, where I should improve my knowledge, And in addition it is summer at it´s best. So relax and have a nice time.

krzysiaczek99
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krzysiaczek99  

Hi Vladimir,

My name is Krzysztof (krzysiaczek99) and I run similar thread about 3rd generation NN on trade2win since 2010. In my implementation I use MATLAB and matlab toolboxes and also WEKA to have access to different algorithms.

From my experience deep nets did't do well with financial TS, much more efficient was e.g SVM. So did you fix all files in your implementation as I would like to try ??? Is backtest possible ??

Krzysztof

Vladimir Perervenko
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Vladimir Perervenko  

Hi,

1. The revised expert will present in a new article that ends. It is a deep neural network  with RBM.
2. On the MT4 expert test I failed.

3. The benefits of the other models of machine learning to deep networks - a very controversial statement. In my experience it is not.

Best regards

Vladimir

Carl Schreiber
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Carl Schreiber  

It would be very interesting if you would be able to show your AI-approach compared to a classic EA-Optimization.

Take e.g. a free successful EA (like https://www.mql5.com/en/code/913) EA_MARSI - expert for MetaTrader 5, Description: The Expert Advisor is based on EMA_RSI_VA indicator.

It seems to bee a quite simple EA how would you code this classic EA-approach to fit into your AI idea?

You can even try to add - just to show how it is done - some other indicators (e.g. CCI, BollingerBands, ZigZag)  as a try to improve this EA - no matter whether this idea might be successful or not.

EA_MARSI
EA_MARSI
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  • 2012.06.12
  • Alexander Puzikov
  • www.mql5.com
The Expert Advisor is based on EMA_RSI_VA indicator.
Vladimir Perervenko
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Vladimir Perervenko  

calli:

It would be very interesting if you would be able to show your AI-approach compared to a classic EA-Optimization.

Take e.g. a free successful EA (like https://www.mql5.com/en/code/913) EA_MARSI - expert for MetaTrader 5, Description: The Expert Advisor is based on EMA_RSI_VA indicator.

It seems to bee a quite simple EA how would you code this classic EA-approach to fit into your AI idea?

You can even try to add - just to show how it is done - some other indicators (e.g. CCI, BollingerBands, ZigZag)  as a try to improve this EA - no matter whether this idea might be successful or not.

Hi,

You can, but why?

If there is free time can be.

Best regards

Carl Schreiber
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Carl Schreiber  
Vladimir Perervenko:

Hi,

You can, but why?

If there is free time can be.

Best regards

1) It would help a lot those people like me who have a traditional approach to develop a trading idea based on some indicators.

2) We would have a traditional EA and your EA with the same basic approach to compare (additional or less work, ...)

3) It would prove how helpful your way would be.

Vladimir Perervenko
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Vladimir Perervenko  

calli:

1) It would help a lot those people like me who have a traditional approach to develop a trading idea based on some indicators.

2) We would have a traditional EA and your EA with the same basic approach to compare (additional or less work, ...)

3) It would prove how helpful your way would be.

Hi,

No task is to prove that this is the most effective way. The challenge to show another way to other, more features. And everyone has to choose their own, comparing them, if necessary, personally. Using machine learning in trading requires a fairly high level of knowledge and experience in the trade.
It all depends on the experience, knowledge and goals. Someone trading without indicators, and it is quite satisfied. Someone found some good work indicators and it suits him, too. Who is this just is not enough, because it is more deeply understand the market.

Sorry. It's hard to explain to You, "language barrier" prevents.

Carl Schreiber
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Carl Schreiber  
Vladimir Perervenko:

Hi,

No task is to prove that this is the most effective way. The challenge to show another way to other, more features. And everyone has to choose their own, comparing them, if necessary, personally. Using machine learning in trading requires a fairly high level of knowledge and experience in the trade.
It all depends on the experience, knowledge and goals. Someone trading without indicators, and it is quite satisfied. Someone found some good work indicators and it suits him, too. Who is this just is not enough, because it is more deeply understand the market.

Sorry. It's hard to explain to You, "language barrier" prevents.

:(

This is quite disappointing.

I thought you would be interested to perform a little competition to prove the usefulness of your approach.

You know most programmer describe their program what and how it calculates this and that - but hardly how the user will benefit from their program.

Don't forget that "..the most effective way." at least for me includes the amount of code I have to understand and to write and to optimize.

I (may be others too) really would be glad to get a feeling about all that - beside the naked performance.

Anyway thanks for your effort and patience.

Calli

krzysiaczek99
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krzysiaczek99  
calli:

:(

This is quite disappointing.

I thought you would be interested to perform a little competition to prove the usefulness of your approach.

You know most programmer describe their program what and how it calculates this and that - but hardly how the user will benefit from their program.

Don't forget that "..the most effective way." at least for me includes the amount of code I have to understand and to write and to optimize.

I (may be others too) really would be glad to get a feeling about all that - beside the naked performance.

Anyway thanks for your effort and patience.

Calli

to do such comparative test  you have to be sure that any of this methods has really predictive power otherwise it is comparision of random results with unknown variance depending of the setup and chosen data so outcome is random also. Are you sure if any of those methods has really predictive power ?? Than it would require a lot of testing against a lot of symbols and even after this you would not be sure if one method is better than other as the variance distribution of the results is unknown and results it will just depend of test setup and chosen data.

Krzysztof

krzysiaczek99
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krzysiaczek99  
Vladimir Perervenko:

Hi,

1. The revised expert will present in a new article that ends. It is a deep neural network  with RBM.
2. On the MT4 expert test I failed.

3. The benefits of the other models of machine learning to deep networks - a very controversial statement. In my experience it is not.

Best regards

Vladimir

So when you plan to release your new article ??


Krzysztof

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