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The article is great! (it shows an interesting approach to the question)

I read the article and tried it with my own parameters.

Did some experiments and will do more.

A couple of thoughts:

It is IMPOSSIBLE to test the results of NS in MT on the set on which it was trained (there will always be a good result)

It is necessary to take for training and for testing the frames that do NOT intersect!

When creating an NS, the number of neurons set is directly proportional to the quality of training and training time of the network).

The number of layers has a much weaker effect.

Thank you very much to the author!

 
Very interesting article, but it has nothing to do with trading.
 
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When creating an NS, the number of neurons set is directly proportional to the quality of training and the training time of the network).

The number of layers has a much weaker effect.


This is not a true statement.
 

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for a very interesting article. I have one problem with Neuro Pro 0.25. I cannot install  it under Windows 7 pro 64. According read me file it is working under Windows 2000 and NT4.
 

Hi vitalibol,

Where did you find NeuroPro 0.25...?

I've seen a few sites that had it...but they were in Russian and required to sign up to download...

If possible...please upload NeuroPro 0.25 here...and I will look at the 64 bit compatibility problem you mentioned...

I have been playing with Neuroph 2.9...to try and implement this example in MT4...

I need to find out how NeuroPro works with the data and creates those "Semaphores" for the MT5 EA...

Thanks for any help you can share,

Robert








 

Hi Robert,

Thank you for the comment. I fix my problem after reinstall Windows 7. I am new in neural net. I started  to work with neural net month ago after I have read this article. I use NeuroPro, because my native language is Russian. I am going to use NeuroPh later. I try to  code program for  MT4 using NeuroPro.

Regards,

Vitali

 
Hi Gentlemen,

I wanted to share that I did start playing with Neuroph...

And I went ahead and tried to adapt Andrew's NeuroPro's MT5 example to MT4 and Neuroph.

To start with preparing the proper Datasets...I did manage to modify the MT5 export script to an MT4 version to get the CSV files ready for Neuroph.

I'm just a beginner with neural nets...so after some challenges learning Neuroph's basics...

I was actually able to build and test Andrew's Network with the 24 inputs, 3 hidden layers with 20 nodes each and 1 output.

For a beginner learning neural networks and machine learning...this was a really big Wow experience...!

In the learning process I amazed myself...but in truth...Neuroph is done so well...it seems almost easy once you get the basics down.

Some settings were different...and random biases for each test may produce different results...but my results were close enough to Andrew's example to take the next steps trying to convert the information to an MT4 EA.

I then compared the screens in Andrew's article to see what's needed to start converting the MT5 EA to an MT4 EA version...

More work needs to be done understanding the differences between Neuroph and NeuroPro...and most important...exactly how NeuroPro gets the information to paste into the EA...

The key seems to be understanding the "Semaphores" that NeuroPro produces...which look like node weights...??

I can see the weights for Neuroph...but I could not find a similar screen for Neuroph for producing Semaphores at that point in Andrew's example...so we may need to find work-around's for Neuroph.

I would be glad to share the modified MT4 export script...and my already-built CSV files (split into Training and Testing Datasets)...along with my learning notes...which may help speed up your learning and testing with Neuroph.

Let me know by PM if you would like them (they are not ready for any public posting yet...still learning)

I am hoping Vitali can help with the Russian translations for exactly how NeuroPro produces it's calculations for the Semaphores and anything else we may need to know on how to convert the article to Neuroph and MT4...

And the modified MT4 export script will help work directly in MT4 as you try your NeuroPro tests with MT4.and be ready for when you start playing with Neuroph also.

In addition...both Stu and Andrew Kreimer look to have very good skills for playing with MT4/MT5 and neural nets.

Hopefully together we can help with the EA conversions from MT5 to MT4 to use with Neuroph neural networks.

Thanks, have fun, and take care,

Robert

 
Excellent work Robert. I've not had very much to do with Neural Nets but have done some fairly basic AI work in the past. So not sure how much use I could be on that side of things but glad to help out with any MQL that is needed.

Cheers
Stu
 
Hi all,

I am studying the great article by Andrew on using NeuroPro with MT5 recently posted on the MT5 forum.

Neural Networks Cheap and Cheerful - Link NeuroPro with MetaTrader 5
www.mql5.com/en/articles/830

I understand most of what's happening but I do not speak/read Russian and I don't have a Cyrillic keyboard to try and search and translate it into English..

So I need help understanding some of the Russian words on the NeuroPro input screens..

I also would like to learn how specifically NeuroPro calculates it's Outputs that are cut and pasted into the MT5 EA.

If anyone can help interpret the Russian words in the attached photos...that would be very appreciated...

And if you can help us understand what the formulas are to calculate the Semaphores...

And especially if you understand how those formulas were derived...that would be even better.

Thanks in advance for your help,
Robert
 
I don't know what experience others have been having with downloading NeuroPro 0.25 (in a zip file), but I found it on a Russian language only site using a search engine, but when I tried running the setup program within it, it told me I didn't have the proper version of windows.  After checking that site through an online translation site (alot of copying and pasting), it appears that it doesn't like Windows Vista, and the preferred versions are Windows 3.10 (remember that?) and 95.  I have also found the Neuroph program, hopefully it will be able to work with MT4 and 5, and MQL as well.
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