Offtopic: Stealing Aleynikov or how arbitration is done ;-) - page 7

 
gip >> :

Here's my mother, too, watching TV (duroscope) and starting to judge. For the last year and a half, because of the rampant propaganda, she has been constantly judging Americans. And so they are, and so they are. And we live badly because of their crisis.

And when you think about it, what do we know about this situation? Two or three articles from the journos? Aren't we, with our willingness to judge, likened to fence-sitters discussing international politics?

Um... I didn't know that you base your opinions solely on zombie TV ... )))

You have to distinguish between Americans and Americans, at least a little!

I sure as hell don't care about the average assembly line worker in Denver,

but I don't give a shit about the "unranked" from the State Department and the commissions...

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And that's not the point... >> that's not what this is about.

 

Why is it not so clear-cut for me?

Because in large and serious companies (in my opinion), the normal practice is not the royalty payment scheme described by Kombat, but a slightly different one. The royalty is paid not as a lump sum and certainly not as a salary, but over a fairly long period, ideally over the life of the software product and as a percentage of income received. The percentage may be small, there are usually several developers and they divide their share of the income from the product among all of them. Say they were allotted 3% and each got 0.3%. The schemes may be different, I'm talking about the essence. Even in non-serious companies it is against the law to pay only salaries, without a separate line for royalties. The royalty is always on top of the salary.

If that were the case, if the contract with Sax was like that, there wouldn't be much point in Aleynikov stealing anything. No one is willing to risk an author's fee, even a small one, from a large reputable company. Employees, even after they are fired, tend to remain loyal to their employer. Therefore, I can well admit that his interests were harmed. Which may have provoked him to leave Saxon.

And when a person is dealt with in this way, taking advantage of the situation, he no longer respects his employer and is morally ready for adequate counter-action.

That's assuming, of course, that he was working on something and not sitting on an escort, a point I don't know.

 
timbo писал(а) >>

That is, stealing software from Goldman is one thing; you approve of that, and the person who steals it automatically becomes a hero. But stealing the battery from your car is another thing, you can't steal it, you're a disgraceful bitch. So much for "proletarian justice".

How old are you boy? ... ever owned a car before?

 
PapaYozh >> :

thought that maybe the man was only going to jail for trying to change jobs.

I thought the same thing.

Wanted a raise. Rejected. He promised to move to another office where the salary was twice as high. Promised he'd go to jail if he tried to do it. He left. Got locked up.

Secret business information is a far cry from a car battery.

Yurixx >> :

Yeah, the theft issue is a special category. The guy ran a group that developed a system that allowed the bank to make billions a year. Got paid a few hundred grand a year for it. So he kind of stole from the bank what he did. No, it's all good on the legal side. He signed the contract, promised not to disclose, agreed that the system would be the property of the bank and so on. But in fact he is accused of stealing something he himself (along with others like him) made. The paradoxes of the concept of "ownership". Not to mention that this is nonsense in terms of the concept of "justice". Not the kind that's written on paper in every state and reserved for the chosen few, but real justice.

Disagree. What kind of composer is he if his own symphonies have gone out of his mind?


 

At the beginning of the article there was a link to sql-ev's reasoning about spread trading and millisecond pipsing. By the way this "Maximov" is amateurish in methods of graphics accelerated graphics cards, stumbles in syntax, the topic of high-speed pipsing on lemmings seems to be a scam too ? Or did the author twist something and similar is the case ? I thought the spread only appears on the broker's output ... and sachs has direct access to the unfiltered "cloud" of quotes, or not ?

 
"greed will be the enemy's undoing" is an old truth. Moreover, no news will ever tell you how it was. So relax, it's an empty topic. Actually, Timbo is right. A thief should go to jail. Especially if he seriously affects the interests of the bank, they will fuck him up. And rightly so. You should think about who you're up against. Where there's a lot of money going around, it's a short story.
 

I would like to be a little more specific about the stolen trading system. By all indications, we have a different trading system that has little in common with classical trading systems. In this case we have the following situation. There are assets that are slightly different in price on different markets. So if you unite a number of different terminals for downloading information on these assets from all over the world, you can get rich by pumping assets from cheaper to more expensive ones and taking almost no risk. The main intellectual asset in this venture are the financiers, who have been in this scheme for years. They have been watching the monitors for years, staying up all night digging through all kinds of information. And the programmers in this business are, in general, the usual performers, who can always be easily replaced, so such a salary and for such a job in this situation - it's just worship! And the fact that the guy took the files with him is a sign that nothing worthwhile could ever arise in his own head! And the only way for such a guy to get ahead of himself is to rob those who benefited him. You have to be in that situation once, when you pay a man three times what he is worth, and he gets mad at you for having ten times what he is worth!

 
Yurixx >> :

When it comes to intellectual work, the situation is different. There are things whose development does not require any special creative ability or creativity per se. Expertise is enough. But even then, there is a huge difference from material labour. An engineer develops a product once. He gets paid for it while he is working. The engineer then reproduces the product for years and makes a profit on every little thing.

The builder builds a house only once, and the homeowner lives in it for 30 years and pays the builder nothing. Then he sells it for a huge profit. Or he rents it out and gets paid regularly for virtually nothing. Should the builder steal the slate from the roof that he put there himself?

The assembly line worker assembled the car, and some creep bombs it and gets money. The worker has been fired, but the bomber is still making money on the car he assembled. It's probably only fair that the worker unscrews the wheels he put there himself and sells them on the market.

One could go on and on.

The capitalist invested in the project in the beginning, he risks that the thing might not work at all, he replicates and risks that the thing will stop selling, he invests in new projects and again risks that they won't go. The engineer risks nothing - he doesn't care whether it works or not, he gets his salary anyway. Do you want to get paid more? Welcome to the world of entrepreneurs - the door is open. In the western world, 15-20% of new businesses open every year, 13-18% of businesses close every year, i.e. constant movement in both directions.

Some have opted for a world of thieves. Someone is willing to justify it, because they feel socially close to that thief. Even long theories are drawn by the ears to justify the thesis: "Take and divide".

 

There is a simple scheme: 20 analysts, isolated from each other, sit and make a forecast,

the forecast goes straight to the software which gives each of them its own weight and shows the total forecast,

depending on the rating (the rating is calculated by the floor from the % of forecasts that come true).

I think this or a similar scheme works in any bank because it is reliable,

hence the question what has Aleynikov stolen -> prediction totalizer, and what's the point.

 
Urain >> :

There is a simple scheme: 20 analysts, isolated from each other, sit and make a forecast,

the forecast goes straight to the software which gives each of them its own weight and shows the total forecast,

depending on the rating (the rating is calculated by the floor from the % of forecasts that come true).

I think this or a similar scheme works in any bank because it is reliable,

hence the question what has Aleynikov stolen -> prediction totalizer, and what is the point.

This system is guaranteed not to work. It is checked.

Reason: