deposit % in signal subscription setting should not be limited to 95% but 105%

[Longsen Chen]

In the beginning of subscription, assume the signal balance is USD 950 with leverage 1:100 and my account balance is USD 1000 with same leverage 1:100. When the signal places an order with 0.01 lots, my account copies the signal and places an order with 0.01 lots (=0.01 * (1000*95%/95)) as well. This is the expectation. After some hours, the signal closes the position at a profit of USD 5, my account closes it at the same profit of USD 5. at this moment, signal balance will be USD 955, while my account balance is USD 1005 .

for the second order, the signal order is also 0.01 lots, my account lot size is  0.01 * (1005 * 95 % / 955 ) = 0.009997. When it rounds up, it is below the minimum lot (0.01), what will happen? no order?

Even though my initial deposit is USD 1100, with the time going, for the sake of 95%, eventually my account will be unable to place 0.01 lots order. if the accumulated profit is 1901, the lot ratio will be (1100+1901)*95%/(950+1901)=0.99998, which is below 1.

If the limit could be lifted to 105%, then the profit would not be shrunk. A small fluctuation in my profit would have no impact on the lot ratio.

[Sergey Golubev]

About lot size - read this example about how it is calculated (you can check it with your figures as well):

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Signal not copying full lots

Sergey Golubev, 2018.10.19 16:40

You can calculate your lot size using the following example (from General information on Trading Signals for MetaTrader 4 and MetaTrader 5 article):

Let's consider a specific example of using the volumes management system:

1. Provider: balance 15 000 USD, leverage 1:100
2. Subscriber1: balance 40 000 EUR, leverage 1:200, deposit load percentage 50%
   
3. Subscriber2: balance 5 000 EUR, leverage 1:50, deposit load percentage 35%
4. EURUSD exchange rate = 1.2700
   

Calculation of Provider's and Subscriber's position volumes ratio:

1. Balances ratio considering specified part of the deposit in percentage terms:
   Subscriber1: (40 000 * 0,5) / 15 000 = 1,3333 (133.33%)
   Subscriber2: (5 000 * 0,35) / 15 000 = 0,1166 (11.66%)
   
2. After considering the leverages:
   Subscriber1: the leverage of Subscriber1 (1:200) is greater than Provider's one (1:100), thus correction on leverages is not performed
   Subscriber2: 0,1166 * (50 / 100) = 0,0583 (5.83%)
3. After considering currency rates of the deposits at the moment of calculation:
   Subscriber1: 1,3333 * 1,2700 = 1,6933 (169.33%)
   Subscriber2: 0,0583 * 1,2700 = 0,0741 (7.41%)
4. Total percentage value after the rounding (performed using a multistep algorithm):
   Subscriber1: 160% or 1.6 ratio
   Subscriber2: 7% or 0.07 ratio

Thus under the given conditions, Provider's deal with volume of 1 lot will be copied: 

- to Subscriber1 account in amount of 160% -  volume of 1.6 lots

- to Subscriber2 account in amount of 7% -  volume of 0.07 lots

[Sergey Golubev]

Also - check this part of the FAQ (about rounding):
What rounding scheme is used for Provider's and Subscriber's percentage ratio of deals volume?

[Longsen Chen]

Hi Sergey, Thank you for the prompt reply. However, your reply doens't answer my question. 

My question is 95% makes ratio smaller and smaller.

[Sergey Golubev]

Longsen Chen:

Hi Sergey, Thank you for the prompt reply. However, your reply doens't answer my question. 

My question is 95% makes ratio smaller and smaller.

95% is the maximum.
You can check the example of lot size calculation and put your figures in there to check (post #1).

By the way, the users should make this calculation before they subscribe to the signal (not after that) ...

[Longsen Chen]

95% is the maxium, my point is it's not reasonable.  Should let me choose 100%

[Keith Watford]

Longsen Chen:

I have deleted your new topic.

There is no need to open a new topic when you have a similar discussion here.

[Longsen Chen]

Assume Provider account, balance 1000 USD, leverage 1:500, my account, balance 1000 USD, leverate 1:500, use deposit 95%.

If the signal places order of 0.01 lot, what is my account order lot size? Is it 0.01?

[Sergey Golubev]

Longsen Chen:

Assume Provider account, balance 1000 USD, leverage 1:500, my account, balance 1000 USD, leverate 1:500, use deposit 95%.

If the signal places order of 0.01 lot, what is my account order lot size? Is it 0.01?

I do not know about why MetaQuotes made 95% instead of 100% or more ... but I think - the main reason is the risk for subscribers.

You can open demo account with any broker and subscribe to free/demo signal to check everything, and after that - you can share your experience (Metatrader journal/logs) with all of us (people should help each other).

Assume Provider account, balance 1000 USD, leverage 1:500, my account, balance 1000 USD, leverate 1:500, use deposit 95%.

Why do you want to subscribe to the signal using same balance with same leverage with the signal provider?
You can use a little more balance .. or you can select the other signal having balance 900 USD ... and you should calculate your future possible lot size using example (post #1 and post #2) just to know which lot size you will have after subscription.

I do not think MetaQuotes company will make the changes from 95% to 100% just because you want it ...
You can select the other signal, or increase your deposit size.

[Eleni Anna Branou]

Longsen Chen:

Assume Provider account, balance 1000 USD, leverage 1:500, my account, balance 1000 USD, leverate 1:500, use deposit 95%.

If the signal places order of 0.01 lot, what is my account order lot size? Is it 0.01?

Yes, since there is no smaller lot size, but if the provider opens 0.02 you will open 0.01 due to rounding down of the lot size.

[Longsen Chen]

Sergey Golubev:
I do not know about why MetaQuotes made 95% instead of 100% or more ... but I think - the main reason is the risk for subscribers.

You can open demo account with any broker and subscribe to free/demo signal to check everything, and after that - you can share your experience (Metatrader journal/logs) with all of us (people should help each other).

Why do you want to subscribe to the signal using same balance with same leverage with the signal provider?
You can use a little more balance .. or you can select the other signal having balance 900 USD ... and you should calculate your future possible lot size using example (post #1 and post #2) just to know which lot size you will have after subscription.

I do not think MetaQuotes company will make the changes from 95% to 100% just because you want it ...
You can select the other signal, or increase your deposit size.

Yes. I can do anything to avoid smaller than 0.01 lots.

Actually I deposited 4.04 times to the signal. Gradually it became 4.0 times and then 3.9 times. I have to deposit more money to make up 4.04 times again. The root cause is 95% after careful thinking.