The truth about indicators - page 2

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dannydad
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dannydad  
Enrique Dangeroux:

Well said.

My two cents:

Indicators are best suited for exit, not entry considering indicators show the past and that's all they do.

I think it depends on how you use the indicators that reflects their results either for entry or exit. You can always mix-match indicators to achieve one purpose either entry or exit, you can do more research on this.
Jox90
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Jox90  
Marco vd Heijden:

It's impossible to predict upcoming market direction.

But i can tell you something.

It is possible to predict the future to some extend.

Just not to predict the upcoming market direction, which is impossible and unnecessary. 

But i can predict to you, that i will not lose more then $20 on my next trade.

And that is my future prediction, and it is all i ever need.

No indicators no (impossible/unnecessary) prediction attempts of upcoming market direction, no nothing.

Just $20.

You give that some real good thoughts now.

It's the other end of the spectrum, i am predicting my losses, in stead of my profits.
Do you use only techical analysis or also fundamental?
Arthur Albano
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Arthur Albano  
Jox90:

I truly believed in technical analysis and algorithms potential and I searched a lot for two years a way two create an indicator with very accurate signals. I closed 30 jobs and made many indicators, but in the last period I realized what is the truth about indicators, using renko. I created a renko indicator and using it, comparing hundreds of indicators (made by me and not) I found that no indicator can give accurate signals, because with renko you can see what is the real accuracy of the indicator setting it to the smallest period/setting, and if, doing this, the indicator doesn't bypass the one single brick pattern (when there is only one renko brick in opposite direction) and if instead doesn't signal the two or more bricks pattern, that means that the indicator will never be accurate, even if you set it to a higher period, because if it doesn't work in the "small" it will not work in the "big". There is no indicator that can do this: there is no indicator that is accurate, even of sold indicators in the market. I learned that lesson the hard way: INDICATORS ARE JUST AN ILLUSION.

Agreed. Everything works in cycles (Fourier) and, therefore, no single indicator can predict. A good strategy is based on very solid foundations. If anyone use one single indicator for ins and outs, it will end up with no profit/loss, albeit for commissions and taxes.


So, I have several fundations in my head: a good strategy is not based on parameters; therefore it is non-parametric. In and out strategy are not the same. Feedforward and AI can adapt EA's to the ever changing market conditions. And the list goes on...

Arthur Albano
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Arthur Albano  
Marco vd Heijden:

It's impossible to predict upcoming market direction.

But i can tell you something.

It is possible to predict the future to some extend.

Just not to predict the upcoming market direction, which is impossible and unnecessary. 

But i can predict to you, that i will not lose more then $20 on my next trade.

And that is my future prediction, and it is all i ever need.

No indicators no (impossible/unnecessary) prediction attempts of upcoming market direction, no nothing.

Just $20.

You give that some real good thoughts now.

It's the other end of the spectrum, i am predicting my losses, in stead of my profits.

"i am predicting my losses, in stead of my profits." There is Kelly for that :)

Sergei Lanin
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Sergei Lanin  
I use CCI and WPR. And also I use MA. It's thee good indicator. 
Flavio Jarabeck
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Flavio Jarabeck  

First of all, on the Realm of Indicators, you have all the sub-classes of them... Momentum Indicators, Trend following, Trend confirming, Range indicators, Order Book Statistics, Market Volume Profile, Fibonacci Levels, Astrology, Moon cycles, <you name the others>...

If you do not have the very basics of undestanding of WHEN, WHY and HOW the Price moves on your Symbol of choice, you are dead.

As said before in previous posts, Indicators Indicate what is in the realm of its measurement goal, the decision is YOURS.

And also, LEARN how to calibrate your indicators to be truthful to your Symbol. I see many people blaming indicators that they even do not know how they work... On the Symbol they chose, and on the Timeframe they are using... It is nonsense all over!

Tip: Learn, first of all, how to interpret candlesticks formation in its very core (BUY/SELL pressure, etc), then you can advance to put some indicators on you chart...

;)

Alireza Yadegar
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Alireza Yadegar  

all indicators is working right if you know their language and know what expectations we can have from them. for example assume MA, someone use crossover and someone use bouncing, who that use crossover will tell you MA is suck, but who use bouncing at a right way will tell you MA is magic. or assume your renko indicator.

so all things is depending on our view.

Zee Zhou Ma
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Zee Zhou Ma  

You shall click buy or sell as many times as the number of cycles in the indicators (See oscillators).

Best is when there are no cycles. 

Jox90
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Jox90  
Alireza Yadegar:

all indicators is working right if you know their language and know what expectations we can have from them. for example assume MA, someone use crossover and someone use bouncing, who that use crossover will tell you MA is suck, but who use bouncing at a right way will tell you MA is magic. or assume your renko indicator.

so all things is depending on our view.

  1. No indicator works because it doesn't work with small settings so it will not be useful with big settings.
  2. Using MA for bouncing point of price will lead you to loss sooner or later. Otherwise all people will do it...too easy to be true...

INDICATORS ARE JUST AN ILLUSION!


Marco vd Heijden
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Marco vd Heijden  
But there is a difference between -$20 and -$2000
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