Justification to use Risk Reward Ratio 2:1 over Risk Reward Ratio 1:1 - page 2

Marco vd Heijden
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Okay well let me draw some arrows on it.

OHLS

Open is always at the center line.

High is always up in green.

Low is always down in red.

Spread is always where Ask and Bid are.

Hope it helps..

Alain Verleyen
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Marco vd Heijden:

Okay well let me draw some arrows on it.


Open is always at the center line.

High is always up in green.

Low is always down in red.

Spread is always where Ask and Bid are.

Hope it helps..

Yes it helps, very clear now, thank you.
Marco vd Heijden
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Something like this.

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Haha 

But this is only one currency pair where as the first chart showed 24 currency pairs, sorted in value, only bars 0.

Alain Verleyen
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Marco vd Heijden:

Something like this.


Young Ho Seo
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Young Ho Seo  
Alain Verleyen:
Personally I don't understand this chart.

I don't understand too.

Just I guess it is the return expressed in pips. Like high - open and low - open.

Young Ho Seo
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Young Ho Seo  
Young Ho Seo:

I don't understand too.

Just I guess it is the return expressed in pips. Like high - open and low - open.

Sorry, I just saw his explanation from Marco vd Heijden in the next page. Ignore this post please.
Marco vd Heijden
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Okay so i am happy to see you understand the chart.

Which brings me to another thing i would like to show you.

You talked about the punishment in small losses, maybe it's a good idea to look at it from a musical perspective.

So far we discussed the bars in a row, but we did not look at the pips per bar yet.

Forex is also much like a symphony, it has got it's own "beat" to it, just like any piece of music has.

So in essence, you have to 'feel the beat' or at least have some knowledge about it's intervals, to be able to dance to the beat... for if you do not, your play will be out of tune..

Does this make any sense at all ?

It's time for some data again.

Pips Per Bar

Here's an example output of the robot Pips Per Bar.

As you can see, for example there were 137 Bars that contained 180 Pips, and 126 Bars containing 200 Pips.

But it's a bit hard to make any real use of this numeric data so we plot it into a visual representation again.

Pips and Bars

So since we are looking in a musical perspective i tried to present it as a piece of musical sheet music for you.

Maybe you can already identify specific patterns or even a beat.. in this graphical representation ?

Notice how the whole numbers like for example 110, 120, 130 and 140 Pips per Bar, always have a rather high count just before them,

Also notice how these 'early bars' become dominant after the 200 pips mark,

And then notice that this 'early bar' behavior returns in a stair like fashion some time later..

I'm not exactly good at explaining myself, but if you stare some time at the "song" i hope you will see some interesting things that can help you avoid the punishment.


Dua Yong Rew
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Young Ho Seo
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Young Ho Seo  
Dua Yong Rew:
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Don't worry too much. Ha ha.  I created this thread for finding out some justification to use risk reward ratio 2:1 (TP/SL) over 1:1 (TP/SL).

If you have any new opintion on this your more than welcome to express here. You can approach from any angle as you wish.

Regards.

Young Ho Seo
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Young Ho Seo  

To continue the discussion, I just had some thought that Risk Reward ratio will be somehow connected to profit factor or expected payoff.

ProfitFactor = GrossProfit / GrossLoss


Expected Payoff = (ProfitTrades / TotalTrades) * (GrossProfit / ProfitTrades) -
                  (LossTrades / TotalTrades) * (GrossLoss / LossTrades)


In my view, use of high Risk Reward Ratio may be not sufficiently justiable. Still large amount of traders seem believing in using High Risk Reward Ratio (Reward > Risk).

So still looking for some brilliant thoughts from some brillant traders. :)