Any ideas for smarter alternatives to grid, martingale or recovery zones? (no loss strategys)

 
What im looking for are other ways/alternatives of no loss Systems, pls dont get defensiv when hearing the word no loss strategys.

The point is im looking for safer alternatives with the same Prinziple, we all know grid or martingale is primitive, just one sided price averaging with exponetiall risk.

Recovery zones seems to be a little smarter, Dynamic to both directions long and short, still exponetiall risk with high probability of running out of equity.

Im looking for better and smarter alternatives, would appreciate any ideas and recommendation!
 
tho93:
What im looking for are other ways/alternatives of no loss Systems, pls dont get defensiv when hearing the word no loss strategys.

The point is im looking for safer alternatives with the same Prinziple, we all know grid or martingale is primitive, just one sided price averaging with exponetiall risk.

Recovery zones seems to be a little smarter, Dynamic to both directions long and short, still exponetiall risk with high probability of running out of equity.

Im looking for better and smarter alternatives, would appreciate any ideas and recommendation!

how about 

Grid with Support/Resistance : Your grid is on SR zones 

Martingale with volatility : As volatility increases lot size decreases since the market going further can cover more of your "loss"

 
Lorentzos Roussos #:

how about 

Grid with Support/Resistance : Your grid is on SR zones 

Martingale with volatility : As volatility increases lot size decreases since the market going further can cover more of your "loss"

seems smart, i just dont like the idea of running out of equity, becouse those strategys are one sided. Definetly smart to be dinamic with the risk.


Im looking for some hedge strcutures to secure DD and add trades again at better prices with higher probabilit, hard to find examples for the logic of such a strategy

 
tho93 #:

seems smart, i just dont like the idea of running out of equity, becouse those strategys are one sided. Definetly smart to be dinamic with the risk.


Im looking for some hedge strcutures to secure DD and add trades again at better prices with higher probabilit, hard to find examples for the logic of such a strategy

yeah 

the question is are they hard to find because they work and their creators pack up and dissapear , or , because they don't exist .

 

Also you could loosen up the fixation on the no loss . 

So if your no-loss is don't close losing trades at all , or , as a parameter close 0% of losing trades

maybe you can turn it to "maybe-loss" and close a % of losing trades 

 
Lorentzos Roussos #:

yeah 

the question is are they hard to find because they work and their creators pack up and dissapear , or , because they don't exist .

i guess they are more complex and probably safer and more efective then martingale or grid.


im not sure, still looking for some safer alternatives, logicly they will be more complex and thats why there are fewer of them.


Grid or martingale is what any amateur trader does in the beginning any ways, just keep averaging in, not accepting losses

 
tho93 #:

i guess they are more complex and probably safer and more efective then martingale or grid.


im not sure, still looking for some safer alternatives, logicly they will be more complex and thats why there are fewer of them.


Grid or martingale is what any amateur trader does in the beginning any ways, just keep averaging in, not accepting losses

Yeah or , on the brigher side , they have not been discovered yet :) 

The thing with martingale grid and (i'll include) pyramiding is that if you encounter a positive trade first with them they get in your head.

 
tho93 #:

seems smart, i just dont like the idea of running out of equity, becouse those strategys are one sided. Definetly smart to be dinamic with the risk.


Im looking for some hedge strcutures to secure DD and add trades again at better prices with higher probabilit, hard to find examples for the logic of such a strategy

You will eventually run out of equity or margin with any type of "no loss" strategy - hedge, grid, martingale, or whatever you come up with. I've tried them all for several years, the results are always the same.

A good strategy may lower your chances of running out of margin or equity... but it will happen if you keep using it. The question is: are you prepared to wake up one day to find out that your account has blown?

If you want to use this type of strategy you must set a limit on how or when to close your trades with a loss. The difficult part is finding that point where even closing trades with a loss, you are still making money on the long run.

 
Hedge zone works, but first of all identity a trend with a currency meter or price action, second know how much pips you tend to gain a day, maybe 20 pips per day, trade in the direction of the trend .. allow a 20pips hedge zone... Do this from 8am to 2pm, if you don't get your 20pips before then close with your profit, or wait till ur zone recovery close with a break even, close the day.... Only use it with pairs that EUR,GBP and USD involved.... Been using it for 2years, this is the only way.
 
Elijah3833 #:
Hedge zone works, but first of all identity a trend with a currency meter or price action, second know how much pips you tend to gain a day, maybe 20 pips per day, trade in the direction of the trend .. allow a 20pips hedge zone... Do this from 8am to 2pm, if you don't get your 20pips before then close with your profit, or wait till ur zone recovery close with a break even, close the day.... Only use it with pairs that EUR,GBP and USD involved.... Been using it for 2years, this is the only way.
Thank you very much for this insightful idea. But how do you close at breakeven with the hedge? If you activated the hedge at -20 pips, you are always going to be at a 20pip lost with the hedge. By hedge a mean same lot size as the first entry, otherwise will a grid.
 
Elijah3833 #:
Hedge zone works, but first of all identity a trend with a currency meter or price action, second know how much pips you tend to gain a day, maybe 20 pips per day, trade in the direction of the trend .. allow a 20pips hedge zone... Do this from 8am to 2pm, if you don't get your 20pips before then close with your profit, or wait till ur zone recovery close with a break even, close the day.... Only use it with pairs that EUR,GBP and USD involved.... Been using it for 2years, this is the only way.
8am to 2pm, on which time zone? Or it does not matter ?
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