Trying to identify a counter-trend trading strategy seen on TikTok - page 2

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Wahid Ragheb Keilani #:
If my earlier wording was unclear, that’s my fault. English is not my first language, and I tried to describe what I see as precisely as possible. Again, this is not meant as advertising, and I’m not suggesting anyone should follow such a system. I’m just trying to understand what’s going on

No problem.

Based on the additional information that you provided, you appear to have identified some type of direct hedging strategy. Unfortunately, this is outside of my wheelhouse as direct hedging is banned in my location.

 
Ryan L Johnson #:
  • "The martingale system is a methodology to amplify the chance of recovering from losing streaks.
  • The martingale strategy involves doubling up on losing bets and reducing winning bets by half.
...

The essence of Martingale is (from your source) :

Regarding the Martingale discussion, I’m not fully convinced this fits the classic definition. In what I observe, there can be many open positions at the same time, for example 12 sell positions and 2 buy positions, all with similar position sizes and placed at different times. The positions are built gradually, but not by increasing or doubling size after losses.

Where do you see in the description of the strategy that characteristic ? There is not.

Additionally the OP just confirmed it :

Regarding the Martingale discussion, I’m not fully convinced this fits the classic definition. In what I observe, there can be many open positions at the same time, for example 12 sell positions and 2 buy positions, all with similar position sizes and placed at different times. The positions are built gradually, but not by increasing or doubling size after losses.
 
Alain Verleyen #:

The essence of Martingale is (from your source) :

Where do you see in the description of the strategy that characteristic ? There is not.

Additionally the OP just confirmed it :

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Trying to identify a counter-trend trading strategy seen on TikTok

Ryan L Johnson, 2026.01.07 20:32

No problem.

Based on the additional information that you provided, you appear to have identified some type of direct hedging strategy. Unfortunately, this is outside of my wheelhouse as direct hedging is banned in my location.


 
maybe I did not gather enough information up to now. I will look more closely in the trade history. Thank you for your input so far.
 
Vladislav Boyko #:

Are positions in the same direction (on the same symbol) always closed at the same time?

[edit] That is, when positions are closed, are all positions (in the same direction) closed simultaneously? Or can they act as independent positions rather than grid components?
most of the positions are closed at the same time. There are always positions that remain open. Let’s say 12 sell positions. Two buy positions. then 10 sell are closed at the same time, two remain open and more buy are gradually opened. And then it’s the other way around. it was close to 1000 trades in two days on Gold. with my own money, it is only two days, but I was following the live videos for a long time I was making screenshots and comparing results and development, until I decided I want to find out more. Maybe your idea with mg is correct I don’t know, but of course I will follow up on this information. 


 
Wahid Ragheb Keilani #:
most of the positions are closed at the same time. There are always positions that remain open. Let’s say 12 sell positions. Two buy positions. then 10 sell are closed at the same time, two remain open and more buy are gradually opened. And then it’s the other way around. it was close to 1000 trades in two days.
Is it possible that when a "basket" of positions is closed simultaneously, their total profit is negative? Or does closing multiple positions simultaneously always result in a profit?
 
Wahid Ragheb Keilani #:
maybe I did not gather enough information up to now. I will look more closely in the trade history. Thank you for your input so far.

You're welcome.

To be clear, I'm not saying anything bad about direct hedging. In my location, only Netting Mode accounts are allowed.

If you're considering using the strategy that you posted, just make sure that you have a Hedge Mode account.

 
Vladislav Boyko #:
Is it possible that when a "basket" of positions is closed simultaneously, their total profit is negative? Or does closing multiple positions simultaneously always result in a profit?
i dont know. it is just so many trades it is really hard to follow up. Also, I watched him what looks like high frequency trading in US 30 only one open position at a time, it was so quick I was unable to do screenshot. Maybe half a second on live account. I was so intrigued. Maybe I just oversee something. I can just wait and see what happens and collect more data maybe.
 
Wahid Ragheb Keilani #:
i dont know. it is just so many trades it is really hard to follow up. Also, I watched him what looks like high frequency trading in US 30 only one open position at a time, it was so quick I was unable to do screenshot. Maybe half a second on live account. I was so intrigued. Maybe I just oversee something. I can just wait and see what happens and collect more data maybe.
Well, I've run out of clarifying questions, but despite your answers, I personally can't classify what you're describing in any way, unfortunately.😁
 
Vladislav Boyko #:
Well, I've run out of clarifying questions, but despite your answers, I personally can't classify what you're describing in any way, unfortunately.😁

That seems a risky strategy. Beside that, not enough information.

It seems the trades are open in "basket", so we would need at least the open/close prices of the trades of one basket. And possibly the volume/sl/tp.

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