NATURAL INTELLIGENCE as the basis of a trading system - page 72

 
It is a question of the psycho-physical security of society.
The Americans, for example, at the slightest manifestation of demonism or state-building within the state evict the "teacher" and his teachings from their territory with a ban on the publication and distribution of books.
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SK. писал (а):
И главное, говорила же мне мама "не лазать по колодцам" и я даже уже зарекался, что больше не буду.
Видно, и вправду надо как-то всё же покрепче уяснить, что никому это всё не нужно.
Ну, что ж.. нет, так нет.

Sergey, it seems to me that at your level you should understand that any precepts (etc.) are some frameworks and restrictions that reduce that very freedom of choice, and are unacceptable to a free spirit. Not only that "they" (bounds) are put to us by everyone who is lazy, but why create them for your beloved self? Simply my choice (decision) here and now (to the given circumstances, time, place, etc.).

Here you are making a generalizing conclusion, again imho not peculiar to you. Many people read your monologues with bated breath and do not express their gratitude because of an embarrassed sense of your superiority compared to (above) them, many are on an equal footing - they have nothing to add, there are still those who have "more to add". So I would say that everyone needs it - some need to think about it, some need to accept it, some need to oppose it. but everyone has their own way.

 
Korey:

I think DOOM 2.3 said "enferno"))

Don't take it personally.

You just have an interesting way with words. The thought of a typo didn't even occur to me. It made me wonder why you spelled it that way.

I didn't bother with the extra "e" you were trying to correct.

 
Look at the actual textbook, http://ippn.narod.ru/Munhen.htm which has been out of our reach for many years.
Pay attention to the exercises. At the same time, look for restrictions, caste divisions, ideology - you won't find any...
Not everything in it is justified and not everything you can agree with, but what practice! It will come in handy for trading))))
And vice versa, the price of all clever reasoning, assessments, labels, diplomas, titles, and the like, if at least some of the published exercises do not work out.
That is, this textbook gives the minimum for a first-grader.
 
Mathemat:
You don't have to be a specialist to master the technique of zombifying the psyche. It is enough to be a good psychologist.

I agree with you completely. I have read a lot of books on psychology in my time. The last one was dedicated to Ericksonian hypnosis and the NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) technology based on it. There are many techniques for zombifying the psyche as an individual and society. If anyone is interested, I can send you several books in hard copy and mp3. By the way as I remember there is a feud between the followers of NLP and Coffin. NLP-ists (if I can put it that way) say that the followers of Grbovoy use their techniques only very thinly disguised.

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Cooter:
Mathemat:
You don't have to be a specialist to master the technique of mental zombing. It is enough to be a good psychologist.

I completely agree with you. I have read a lot of books on psychology in my time. The last one was dedicated to Ericksonian hypnosis and the NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) technology based on it. There are many techniques for zombifying the psyche as an individual and society. If anyone is interested, I can send you several books in hard copy and mp3. By the way as I remember there is a feud between the followers of NLP and Coffin. NLP-ists (if that can be said) say that the followers of Grabovoy use their technique only very thinly disguised.

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like to listen to some MP3s. :)

Can you upload them somewhere?

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Red.Line писал (а):
Cooter:

I have read many books in my time on psychology. The last one was devoted to Ericksonian hypnosis and the NLP (Neuro Linguistic Progamming) technology based on it. There are many techniques for zombifying the psyche of the individual and the society.

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like to listen to a couple of mp3s. :)

Would you mind uploading them somewhere?

You're wasting your time. Ericksonian hypnosis doesn't work in Russia. Or if it does, it doesn't work at all as planned.

NLP is NOT based on Eriksonian hypnosis, even though it is packed with all kinds of stuff. This is not to say that its presuppositions are scientifically verified.

 

<< Waste your time. Ericksonian hypnosis does not work in Russia. Or, if it does, it doesn't work at all as planned.

NLP is NOT based on Eriksonian hypnosis, although it is packed with everything you can think of. Thus, experimental scientific check of its presuppositions do not pass.

I agree. Quite competent explanation.

I would add only that once I got acquainted with the Kotelnikov's committee report on results of investigations of so called "parapsychological phenomena"; those were carried out in IRENA in 83-84 by request of interested departments. This work also included experimental testing of the so-called "suggestive" methods. The technical specifications of the equipment used, much of which was manufactured and tested specifically for this study, were unique; many of them are still used today (for example, a magnetically insulated chamber that allowed to measure variations of the magnetic field induction within it, which is ~10e-12 Gs, which is 7-8 orders of magnitude lower than the average magnetic field induction in the Earth). The Commission, in my opinion, has shown extremely convincingly the absence of any "material background" under the subject matter of the experimental study. In the case of "suggestive" techniques, it was irrefutably proven that the direct short-term effect of the object of suggestion on the subject, and it was especially noted that the subject must be predisposed and prepared for the effect.

 

Eh, why is NLP always mentioned only in the context of zombification? NLP is not just based on Milton Erickson's methods.

НЛП возникло в начале 1970-х и стало плодом сотрудничества Джона Гриндера, который был тогда ассистентом профессора лингвистики в университете Калифорнии в Санта Крузе, и Ричарда Бэндлера - студента психологии в том же университете. Ричард Бэндлер, кроме того, сильно интересовался психотерапией. Они вместе изучали действия трех выдающихся психотерапевтов: Фрица Перлза, новатора психотерапии и основоположника школы терапии, известной под названием гештальт-терапии, Вирджинии Сатир, необыкновенного семейного терапевта, которой удавалось разрешать такие трудные семейные взаимоотношения, которые многие другие семейные психотерапевты находили неприступными, и, наконец, Милтона Эриксона, всемирно известного гипнотерапевта. Бэндлер и Гриндер вовсе не собирались открывать новую школу терапии, они лишь хотели определить паттерны, используемые выдающимися терапевтами, и передать их другим. Их не интересовали теории, они создавали модели успешной терапии, которые работали на практике и которым можно было научиться. Трое терапевтов, которых они моделировали, представляли собой индивидуальности, сильно отличающиеся друг от друга, и все же они использовали удивительно похожие основные паттерны. Бэндлер и Гриндер вскрыли эти паттерны, рафинировали их и построили изящную модель, которая может быть применена в эффективной коммуникации, личностном изменении, ускоренном обучении и, конечно же, в получении большего удовольствия от жизни. Они опубликовали свои первые открытия в четырех книгах, вышедших в 1975-77 годах: "Структура магии" 1 и 2 тт. и "Паттерны", 1 и 2 тт (две книги о гипнотических техниках Милтона Эриксона). Количество публикуемой литературы по НЛП увеличивается с тех пор с нарастающей скоростью. В то время Джон и Ричард жили неподалеку от Грегори Бэйтсона, английского антрополога, автора работ по коммуникации и теории систем. Научные интересы Бэйтсона были чрезвычайно широки: биология, кибернетика, антропология и психотерапия. Он хорошо известен как автор теории двойной связи в шизофрении. Его вклад в НЛП был чрезвычайно велик. И наверное, только сейчас становится совершенно очевидным, насколько он был глубок. Начиная с этих первоначальных моделей. НЛП развивалось в двух взаимодополняющих направлениях. Во-первых, как процесс обнаружения паттернов мастерства в любой области человеческой деятельности. Во-вторых, как эффективный способ мышления и коммуникации, практикуемый выдающимися людьми. Эти паттерны и умения могут быть использованы сами по себе, но кроме того могут служить обратной связью в процессе моделирования, чтобы сделать его еще более могущественным. В 1977 году Джон и Ричард провели серию весьма успешных публичных семинаров по всей Америке. НЛП распространяется быстро: в Америке к настоящему времени около 100 тысяч человек в той или иной форма прошли тренинги НЛП.

 

что последователи Грбового используют их техники только уж сильно замаскированно

Yes! Grabovoy's texts are a godsend for psychoanalysts)