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If a drawdown starts, you can simply close the tray - the loss will be the same as for the SL+spread.
But unlike the irreversible loss in case of SL, in case of the lot you will have time and possibilities to correct the situation.
Is there a difference, or not?
What do you call someone who gives up right away?
Here's a look. Here are two examples, equivalent initial situation in the trade hypothetical Vasya and Petya.
1. Vasya had a drawdown of 10%. He closed the order having received -10% of the deposit. To restore the deposit to the value previous to that of the losing trade he needs to make profitable deals of about 11% to the current deposit.
2. Petya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the position minus the spread and minus the commission. The amount of loss is knowingly larger than 10%, for example 12% and he needs to pay swaps. In order to restore the deposit to the value of the previous location, it is necessary to execute profitable trades amounting to about 14% of the value of the remaining available funds. And only after profits from the following trades exceed or equal to the lock, the lock can be opened.
While Vasya closed his losing trade -10% to the deposit, he can sleep peacefully, he knows that his deposit does not contain open positions and he does not need to pay swaps. He can rest, get drunk and relieve stress, and after resting in the Canaries he can calmly return to trading, he needs to replenish his deposit with profitable trades only 11% to the level before the loss trade.
And how is Petya doing? He cannot sleep easy, time is his enemy, every missed day means losses, death swaps and taxes are inevitable, every missed day means that he needs more efforts and time to return to the deposit level before the "occurrence" of a lock. He needs to move, otherwise he will need to earn more than 14% to recover.
While Petya is thinking of what to call those who give up immediately, Vasya is relaxing on the Canary Islands and groping girls. Petya doesn't know what they call those who give up straight away, but he knows what they call those who don't - he's a hero! But he is sad all the same, for swaps keep on dropping every day, approaching the moment when he runs out of free funds, after which all the transactions will be closed by the broker forcibly. Petya begins to think about how he is going to repay the loan, very bad thoughts occur to him, and he begins to dream about angry and hairy investors with irons in their hands....
Here's a look. Here are two examples, equivalent starting situations in the trade of hypothetical Vasya and Petya.
1. Vasya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the order having received -10% of the deposit. To restore the deposit to the value previous to that of the losing trade he needs to make profitable deals of about 11% to the current deposit.
2. Petya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the position minus the spread and minus the commission. The amount of loss is knowingly larger than 10%, for example 12% and he needs to pay swaps. In order to restore the deposit to the value of the previous location, it is necessary to execute profitable trades amounting to about 14% of the value of the remaining available funds. And only after profits from the following trades exceed or equal to the lock, the lock can be opened.
While Vasya closed his losing trade -10% to the deposit, he can sleep peacefully, he knows that his deposit does not contain open positions and he does not need to pay swaps. He can rest, get drunk and relieve stress, and after resting in the Canaries he can calmly return to trading, he needs to replenish his deposit with profitable trades only 11% to the level before the loss trade.
And how is Petya doing? He cannot sleep easy, time is his enemy, every missed day means losses, death swaps and taxes are inevitable, every missed day means that he needs more efforts and time to return to the deposit level before the "occurrence" of a lock. He needs to move, otherwise he will need to earn more than 14% to recover.
While Petya is thinking of what to call those who give up immediately, Vasya is relaxing on the Canary Islands and groping girls. Petya doesn't know what they call those who give up straight away, but he knows what they call those who don't - he's a hero! But he is sad all the same, for swaps keep on dropping every day, approaching the moment when he runs out of free funds, after which all the transactions will be closed by the broker forcibly. Petya begins to think about how he will repay the loan, very bad thoughts occur to him, which involve a rope, he begins to dream about angry and hairy investors with irons in their hands....
I don't know about the rope and irons. you tell me.)
Now to the point:
- If you think maths has anything to do with making money, you're wrong. It's like sports and health - nothing in common.
- What makes you think that if you don't use stops, you get nervous and have a bad mood? This is strange. because when you have no stops and you can not be taken out of the market, and any movement is beneficial, then why get nervous.
- Because of the word "lock" concepts are constantly being substituted, because in order to make money, you need to get out of a lock. Then the question - why do we need to enter it? If you have a trading strategy without stops, you don't need a lock.
I am going to make a robot that will work without stops and even without TEAK as such.Here's a look. Here are two examples, equivalent starting situations in the trade of hypothetical Vasya and Petya.
1. Vasya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the order having received -10% of the deposit. To restore the deposit to the value previous to that of the losing trade he needs to make profitable deals of about 11% to the current deposit.
2. Petya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the position minus the spread and minus the commission. The amount of loss is knowingly larger than 10%, for example 12% and he needs to pay swaps. In order to restore the deposit to the value of the previous location, the profit trades of about 14% to the value of the remaining available funds are required. And only after profits from the following trades exceed or equal to the lock, the lock can be opened.
While Vasya closed his losing trade -10% to the deposit, he can sleep peacefully, he knows that his deposit does not contain open positions and he does not need to pay swaps. He can rest, get drunk and relieve stress, and after resting in the Canaries he can calmly return to trading, he needs to replenish his deposit with profitable trades only 11% to the level before the loss trade.
And how is Petya doing? He cannot sleep calmly, time is his enemy, every missed day means losses, death swaps and taxes are inevitable, every missed day means that he needs more efforts and time to return to the deposit level before the "occurrence" of a lock. He needs to move, otherwise he will need to earn more than 14% to recover.
While Petya is thinking of what to call those who give up immediately, Vasya is relaxing on the Canary Islands and groping girls. Petya doesn't know what they call those who give up straight away, but he knows what they call those who don't - he's a hero! But he is sad all the same, for swaps keep on dropping every day, approaching the moment when he runs out of free funds, after which all the transactions will be closed by the broker forcibly. Petya begins to think about how he will repay the loan, very bad thoughts occur to him, which involve a rope, he begins to dream about angry and hairy investors with irons in their hands....
Imagine guiding entry, and placing opposite orders, formed ZigZag tops and tell me how you can drain ?
Interesting to hear from someone knowledgeable.
1). I don't know about the ropes and irons; that's up to you).
2). Now to the point:
- If you think that mathematics has something to do with making money, you're wrong. It's like sports and health - nothing in common.
- What makes you think that if you don't use stops a person gets nervous and has a bad mood ? This is strange. because when you have no stops and you can not be taken out of the market, and any movement is beneficial, then why get nervous.
- Because of the word "lock" there is a constant substitution of concepts, because in order to make money, you need to get out of a lock. Then the question - why do we need to enter it? If you have a trading strategy without stops, then the lock is essentially unnecessary.
Finally, I'll tell you that I'm going to make a robot that will work without stops, and even without THEIKA as such.1). I don't know better, not at all. I understand the absurdity of an intentional lock, so I do not suffer from the presence of ropes, irons and hairy angry investors in my dreams.
2). I see. I guess I will not be surprised if it turns out that for you there is nothing in common between mathematics and common sense - then please forgive me, I will not bother you any more with fantasies...
Is that all? I thought there would be specifics and you would show a master class. If you know how, then show me, not empty words.
I told you there's no need for a locke. Aren't you Russian?
Is that all? I thought there would be specifics and you would show a master class. If you know how, then show me, not empty words.
I told you there's no need for a locke. Aren't you Russian?
I say you don't have to!
Your question sounded like this:
Ibragim Dzhanaev:
Imagine that the entry, and the placing of opposite orders, is oriented on the tops of the ZigZag and tell me how it is possible to lose a profit?
I don't trade on ZZ tops on history, so you need to ask another relevant "specialist" with your question.
Although, I too doubt it is possible to lose a depo in the tester when entering on ZZ tops, so my answer is yes, trading on ZZ tops in the tester is the most reliable of all types of trading in the tester, for sure !
I'm not Russian, and you don't seem to be very Russian either.
That's what I'm saying - don't!
Your question sounded like this:
I don't trade on ZZ tops on history, so you need to ask another relevant "specialist" with your question.
Although, I, too, doubt that you can lose a depo in the tester when entering on ZZ tops, so my answer is yes, trading on ZZ tops in the tester is the most reliable of all types of trading in the tester, for sure!
I'm not Russian, and you don't seem to be very Russian either.
ZigZag is always a story.
Why are you so angry, I do not understand ? Take another trip to the Canary Islands, you'll feel better.
1. ZigZag is always history.
2. Why are you so angry, I don't get it? Fly to the canary Islands again, you'll be happier.
1. Well, then why the need for fantasies on the theme of "What a great TS I have on the inputs ZZ in the tester!
2. I am not angry. Hypothetical Vasya flew to the Canary Islands, and I do not want to go there. A friend invites me to India in January, to taste papaya and marakaya. He has a dry law in his state, and I taught him how to make wine (in May he made mango wine). One of his bottles exploded - he must be lying, he must have drunk it already.
1. So then why the "What a great TS I have for ZZ inputs in the tester!" fantasy?
2. I am not evil. Hypothetical Vasya flew to the Canary Islands, but I do not want to go there. A friend invites me to India in January, to taste papaya and marakaya. He has a dry law in his state, and I taught him how to make wine (in May he made mango wine). One of his bottles exploded - he must be lying, he must have drunk it already.
Here's a look. Here are two examples, equivalent starting situations in the trade of hypothetical Vasya and Petya.
1. Vasya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the order having received -10% of the deposit. To restore the deposit to the value previous to that of the losing trade he needs to make profitable deals of about 11% to the current deposit.
2. Petya had a 10% drawdown. He closed the position minus the spread and minus the commission. The amount of loss is knowingly larger than 10%, for example 12% and he needs to pay swaps. In order to restore the deposit to the value of the previous location, the profit trades of about 14% to the value of the remaining available funds are required. And only after profits from the following trades exceed or equal to the lock, the lock can be opened.
While Vasya closed his losing trade -10% to the deposit, he can sleep peacefully, he knows that his deposit does not contain open positions and he does not need to pay swaps. He can rest, get drunk and relieve stress, and after resting in the Canaries he can calmly return to trading, he needs to replenish his deposit with profitable trades only 11% to the level before the loss trade.
And how is Petya doing? He cannot sleep easy, time is his enemy, every missed day means losses, death swaps and taxes are inevitable, every missed day means that he needs more efforts and time to return to the deposit level before the "occurrence" of a lock. He needs to move, otherwise he will need to earn more than 14% to recover.
While Petya is thinking of what to call those who give up immediately, Vasya is relaxing on the Canary Islands and groping girls. Petya doesn't know what they call those who give up straight away, but he knows what they call those who don't - he's a hero! But he is sad all the same, for swaps keep on dropping every day, approaching the moment when he runs out of free funds, after which all the transactions will be closed by the broker forcibly. Petya begins to think how he will repay the loan, he thinks very bad thoughts, which involve a rope, he begins to dream about angry and hairy investors with irons in their hands....
That's just theory, in practice it's different...
With a locked order we can reduce the amount of loss, or even go into double profit.
With a stop loss this will never happen, do not get your false hopes up, do not tell us that you are happy to have closed a deal with no losses.
Because it's easy to give your money back to a broker by a stop loss, well, that's another word for it...