Spread Betting

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Antonio Puzio
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Antonio Puzio  
Anyone tried spread betting ? i see that in london is taxfree ? 
Keith Watford
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Keith Watford  
Antonio Puzio:
Anyone tried spread betting ? i see that in london is taxfree ? 
It is Tax free because it is considered gambling in the UK, not just London and tax free status only applies to UK residents.

Note that gambling is tax free in the UK, but the Inland Revenue can decide to tax you if your sole or main income is from gambling.
Antonio Puzio
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Antonio Puzio  
Keith Watford:
It is Tax free because it is considered gambling in the UK, not just London and tax free status only applies to UK residents.

Note that gambling is tax free in the UK, but the Inland Revenue can decide to tax you if your sole or main income is from gambling.
so it work only for uk resident ??? if i try to epen from italy nothing to do ? i try it in demo and it's so similiar to traditional forex trading . 
honest_knave
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honest_knave  
Antonio Puzio:
so it work only for uk resident ???
Yes
honest_knave
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honest_knave  
Keith Watford:

Note that gambling is tax free in the UK, but the Inland Revenue can decide to tax you if your sole or main income is from gambling.

The professional gambler is always a contentious issue. It introduces an interesting quandary - if you can be taxed on your winnings, can you offset your losses? I suspect this is not a tempting prospect for HMRC considering most gamblers lose over the long term!

Initial point of reference would be HMRC's manual (BIM22017) which states:

The fact that a taxpayer has a system by which they place their bets, or that they are sufficiently successful to earn a living by gambling does not make their activities a trade.

This topic was discussed by the Court of Appeal recently in the Hakki case, where a professional poker player was being chased for child support.

The mother's lawyer contended that the poker player was actually carrying out a "trade, profession or vocation" like a professional sportsman. He was methodical, applied targets, carefully selected his venues and tables, appeared on TV shows, ran a website and was consistently profitable over a number of years.

The court disagreed. They determined that gambling is not a trade and his TV appearances and website was not enough to be considered a trade or profession.

But.... interestingly the court did concede that under difference circumstances the proceeds of gambling might be taxable!

Francis Dogbe
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Francis Dogbe  

what is spread betting?

honest_knave
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honest_knave  
Francis Dogbe:

what is spread betting?

You are placing a bet on whether price will move up or down, rather than trading the underlying asset.

Your lot sizing works differently, but other than that it is fairly indistinguishable from 'normal' trading.

Keith Watford
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honest_knave:

The court disagreed. They determined that gambling is not a trade and his TV appearances and website was not enough to be considered a trade or profession.

But.... interestingly the court did concede that under difference circumstances the proceeds of gambling might be taxable!

It is a grey area. The last thing that I remember reading on this subject was that gambling wins can be considered unearned income if it is the only or main income.
Keith Watford
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Keith Watford  
honest_knave:

You are placing a bet on whether price will move up or down, rather than trading the underlying asset.

Your lot sizing works differently, but other than that it is fairly indistinguishable from 'normal' trading.

It's not like binary options. You get so much per pip.

In my account I receive 10 pence per pip movement in my favour. Obviously lose 10 pence per pip if it goes against me.

As Honest Knave says it is almost identical to normal trading, but it is easier as pip values are the same for all instruments.
honest_knave
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honest_knave  
Keith Watford:
It's not like binary options. You get so much per pip.

My apologies, I certainly didn't mean to imply it was like binary options!

Perhaps I could have phrased it better. You can exit your "bet" at any time, the same way as a normal trade.

Keith Watford:
It is a grey area. The last thing that I remember reading on this subject was that gambling wins can be considered unearned income if it is the only or main income.

I often ponder whether this wording was deliberate:

BIM22017
The fact that a taxpayer has a system by which they place their bets, or that they are sufficiently successful to earn a living by gambling does not make their activities a trade.
Keith Watford
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honest_knave:

My apologies, I certainly didn't mean to imply it was like binary options!

Perhaps I could have phrased it better. You can exit your "bet" at any time, the same way as a normal trade.


Sorry, I was just clarifying for other readers as they could possibly think that it is something like binary options.
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