A question about making money in the FOREX market - page 4

 
maxandsoft:

I'm sure there are a lot of programmers writing custom systems, but look at the same ones. But maybe no one has ordered a system that eventually became stable and I'm sure a person who owns it would stop writing EAs for $50-100, but they keep writing => no stable profitable systems :-)

I'm getting banned here :-D

No, they won't.

According to one local venerable coder, the probability of encountering something really interesting and worth checking is very low, at the level of the far tail of the standard normal distribution :)

The rest are primitive, which the customers themselves often consider something brilliant and worthy that the coder should pay more money for a brilliant idea.

There's an interview with Elder published here. Try and get in touch with him, just in case...

 
Well even here is a deception methaquota run a cloud service promising even up to 30 quid a month from the machine. i got excited all three of my servers one 4-processor 2 duplexes running as a result service sees only one 4-processor and the rest do not see although in the statistics they spin and used the cloud (not possible that they are outside one ip hanging but then use only one so no they use all three but pay for one and a penny more electricity eats). and eventually a week for only 4 cents - oh HOW
 
Mathemat:

No, they won't.

According to one local venerable coder, the probability of encountering something really interesting and worth checking is very low, at the level of the far tail of the standard normal distribution :)

Everything else is primitive, which the customers themselves often think is something brilliant and worthy of the coder to pay them for the diamond idea.

There's an interview with Elder published here. Try and get in touch with him, just in case...


Thanks for the advice and understanding of my question I was just skype chatting with Vinin today he also sent me to this article :-)
 
maxandsoft:

Good day!!!

I am a programmer looking for a stable trading system for almost 5 years. I have not come to stability, moreover, I am losing.

I got the impression that FOREX is a casino to earn (win) is not possible!

What do you think about it, dear forum users?

Question. What is the average profit per trade and average loss per trade in pips of your system?
 
paukas:
Question. What is the average profit per trade and average loss per trade in pips of your system?

I stopped using my previous system. There is a link to the current system on the front page. but it's been running for less than 1.5 months so it's hard to judge yet and I'll post the tester later
 

This is for paukas

Strategy Tester: NeuroNet

Strategy Tester Report
NeuroNet
Alpari-Demo (Build 406)

SymbolGBPUSD (Great Britain Pound vs US Dollar)
Period1 Hour (H1) 2011.01.03 00:00 - 2011.11.03 23:59 (2011.01.01 - 2011.11.04)
ModelBy open prices (only for Expert Advisors with explicit bar opening control)
ParametersTakeProfit=700; StopLoss=1300; x=168; pMA=21; RSIforNeuro=11; Lots=0.5; UseFilterRSI=true;
Bars in history6241Modelled ticks11479Simulation qualityn/a
Chart mismatch errors0
Initial deposit10000.00
Net profit6444.50Total profit13608.90Total loss-7164.40
Profitability1.90Expected payoff126.36
Absolute drawdown307.30Maximum drawdown2254.05 (15.18%)Relative drawdown15.18% (2254.05)
Total trades51Short positions (% win)7 (100.00%)Long positions (% win)44 (75.00%)
Profitable trades (% of all)40 (78.43%)Loss trades (% of all)11 (21.57%)
Largestprofitable trade350.00losing deal-652.70
Averageprofitable deal340.22losing trade-651.31
Maximum numbercontinuous wins (profit)12 (3850.20)Continuous losses (loss)3 (-1953.60)
MaximumContinuous Profit (number of wins)3850.20 (12)continuous loss (number of losses)-1953.60 (3)
Averagecontinuous winnings4continuous loss1

TimeTypeOrderVolumePriceS / LT / PProfitBalance
12011.01.05 16:00buy10.501.549271.536271.55627
22011.01.07 17:00t/p10.501.556271.536271.55627348.2010348.20
32011.01.25 17:00buy20.501.582681.569681.58968
42011.01.26 17:00t/p20.501.589681.569681.58968349.5510697.75
52011.01.28 18:00buy30.501.583951.570951.59095
62011.01.31 13:00t/p30.501.590951.570951.59095349.5511047.30
72011.02.04 12:00buy40.501.611371.598371.61837
82011.02.07 10:00t/p40.501.618371.598371.61837349.5511396.85
92011.02.08 21:00buy50.501.605961.592961.61296
102011.02.10 18:00t/p50.501.612961.592961.61296348.2011745.05
112011.02.16 12:00buy60.501.605161.592161.61216
122011.02.17 11:00t/p60.501.612161.592161.61216348.6512093.70
132011.02.17 17:00sell70.501.615041.628041.60804
142011.02.25 12:00t/p70.501.608041.628041.60804337.2012430.90
152011.03.04 10:00buy80.501.624261.611261.63126
162011.03.07 11:00t/p80.501.631261.611261.63126349.5512780.45
172011.03.07 18:00buy90.501.620461.607461.62746
182011.03.10 15:00s/l90.501.607461.607461.62746-652.2512128.20
192011.03.10 15:00buy100.501.608861.595861.61586
202011.03.14 17:00t/p100.501.615861.595861.61586349.1012477.30
212011.03.15 09:00buy110.501.606881.593881.61388
222011.03.17 11:00t/p110.501.613881.593881.61388348.2012825.50
232011.03.23 19:00buy120.501.624691.611691.63169
242011.03.24 18:00s/l120.501.611691.611691.63169-651.3512174.15
252011.04.18 04:00buy130.501.628931.615931.63593
262011.04.20 09:00t/p130.501.635931.615931.63593349.1012523.25
272011.04.25 17:00buy140.501.647201.634201.65420
282011.04.27 11:00t/p140.501.654201.634201.65420349.1012872.35
292011.05.12 10:00buy150.501.632221.619221.63922
302011.05.13 19:00s/l150.501.619221.619221.63922-650.4512221.90
312011.05.18 23:00buy160.501.615821.602821.62282
322011.05.19 23:00t/p160.501.622821.602821.62282348.6512570.55
332011.05.19 23:00sell170.501.622991.635991.61599
342011.05.23 11:00t/p170.501.615991.635991.61599346.8012917.35
352011.05.23 11:00buy180.501.615191.602191.62219
362011.05.25 14:00t/p180.501.622191.602191.62219349.1013266.45
372011.05.31 19:00buy190.501.644131.631131.65113
382011.06.02 11:00s/l190.501.631131.631131.65113-651.8012614.65
392011.06.06 22:00buy200.501.635181.622181.64218
402011.06.07 11:00t/p200.501.642181.622181.64218349.5512964.20
412011.06.08 12:00buy210.501.637091.624091.64409
422011.06.09 11:00t/p210.501.644091.624091.64409348.6513312.85
432011.06.09 18:00buy220.501.636931.623931.64393
442011.06.10 12:00s/l220.501.623931.623931.64393-650.4512662.40
452011.06.13 16:00sell230.501.633341.646341.62634
462011.06.15 14:00t/p230.501.626341.646341.62634346.8013009.20
472011.06.20 08:00buy240.501.612501.599501.61950
482011.06.20 17:00t/p240.501.619501.599501.61950350.0013359.20
492011.06.22 12:00buy250.501.615981.602981.62298
502011.06.23 04:00s/l250.501.602981.602981.62298-651.3512707.85
512011.06.30 13:00buy260.501.598321.585321.60532
522011.06.30 18:00t/p260.501.605321.585321.60532350.0013057.85
532011.07.06 17:00buy270.501.600971.587971.60797
542011.07.12 06:00s/l270.501.587971.587971.60797-652.7012405.15
552011.07.27 20:00buy280.501.632871.619871.63987
562011.07.29 17:00t/p280.501.639871.619871.63987348.2012753.35
572011.07.29 18:00sell290.501.641501.654501.63450
582011.08.01 17:00t/p290.501.634501.654501.63450348.4013101.75
592011.08.01 22:00buy300.501.630441.617441.63744
602011.08.03 13:00t/p300.501.637441.617441.63744349.1013450.85
612011.08.04 13:00buy310.501.632361.619361.63936
622011.08.05 20:00t/p310.501.639361.619361.63936349.5513800.40
632011.08.09 04:00buy320.501.629171.616171.63617
642011.08.09 10:00t/p320.501.636171.616171.63617350.0014150.40
652011.08.22 18:00buy330.501.644411.631411.65141
662011.08.23 11:00t/p330.501.651411.631411.65141349.5514499.95
672011.08.29 09:00sell340.501.638851.651851.63185
682011.08.30 13:00t/p340.501.631851.651851.63185348.4014848.35
692011.09.05 11:00buy350.501.614451.601451.62145
702011.09.06 17:00s/l350.501.601451.601451.62145-650.4514197.90
712011.09.09 13:00buy360.501.590271.577271.59727
722011.09.09 16:00t/p360.501.597271.577271.59727350.0014547.90
732011.09.09 19:00buy370.501.587091.574091.59409
742011.09.14 09:00s/l370.501.574091.574091.59409-651.3513896.55
752011.09.19 00:00buy380.501.573261.560261.58026
762011.09.21 16:00s/l380.501.560261.560261.58026-650.9013245.65
772011.09.21 22:00buy390.501.558241.545241.56524
782011.09.22 07:00s/l390.501.545241.545241.56524-651.3512594.30
792011.09.29 03:00buy400.501.555191.542191.56219
802011.09.29 07:00t/p400.501.562191.542191.56219350.0012944.30
812011.09.29 17:00sell410.501.569631.582631.56263
822011.09.29 21:00t/p410.501.562631.582631.56263350.0013294.30
832011.09.30 10:00buy420.501.555991.542991.56299
842011.09.30 19:00t/p420.501.562991.542991.56299350.0013644.30
852011.10.06 15:00buy430.501.530481.517481.53748
862011.10.06 18:00t/p430.501.537481.517481.53748350.0013994.30
872011.10.12 05:00buy440.501.555791.542791.56279
882011.10.12 12:00t/p440.501.562791.542791.56279350.0014344.30
892011.10.18 12:00buy450.501.572231.559231.57923
902011.10.19 13:00t/p450.501.579231.559231.57923349.5514693.85
912011.10.20 09:00buy460.501.571501.558501.57850
922011.10.20 13:00t/p460.501.578501.558501.57850350.0015043.85
932011.10.20 18:00buy470.501.568681.555681.57568
942011.10.20 21:00t/p470.501.575681.555681.57568350.0015393.85
952011.10.26 18:00buy480.501.591411.578411.59841
962011.10.27 04:00t/p480.501.598411.578411.59841348.6515742.50
972011.10.31 05:00buy490.501.601861.588861.60886
982011.10.31 18:00t/p490.501.608861.588861.60886350.0016092.50
992011.11.03 02:00buy500.501.590891.577891.59789
1002011.11.03 13:00t/p500.501.597891.577891.59789350.0016442.50
1012011.11.03 21:00sell510.501.603661.616661.59666
1022011.11.03 23:59close at stop510.501.603621.616661.596662.0016444.50
 
maxandsoft:

I stopped using the previous system. There is a link to the current system on the first page. but it has been running for less than 1.5 months, so it's hard to judge yet and I will post the tester later.
You see, your losing trade is twice as big as your profitable one. Try it the other way round.
 
paukas:
You see, your losing trade is twice as big as your profitable trade.


I agree it's more but it's in the current optimization, but we are getting away from the subject. Everything is always beautiful in testers. In real trading it is different. (By the way, also interesting oil about the tester and reales).

Strategy Tester: NeuroNet
Strategy Tester Report
NeuroNet
Alpari-Demo (Build 406)

SymbolGBPUSD (Great Britain Pound vs US Dollar)
Period1 Hour (H1) 2011.01.03 00:00 - 2011.11.03 23:59 (2011.01.01 - 2011.11.04)
ModelBy open prices (only for Expert Advisors with explicit bar opening control)
ParametersTakeProfit=1500; StopLoss=1500; x=68; pMA=21; RSIforNeuro=11; Lots=0.5; UseFilterRSI=true;
Bars in history6241Modelled ticks11479Simulation qualityn/a
Chart mismatch errors0
Initial deposit10000.00
Net profit4727.65Total profit19826.60Total loss-15098.95
Profitability1.31Expected payoff100.59
Absolute drawdown301.55Maximum drawdown3344.55 (22.27%)Relative drawdown22.27% (3344.55)
Total trades47Short positions (% win)23 (65.22%)Long positions (% win)24 (50.00%)
Profitable trades (% of all)27 (57.45%)Loss trades (% of all)20 (42.55%)
Largestprofitable trade750.00losing transaction-767.05
Averageprofitable deal734.32losing trade-754.95
Maximum numbercontinuous wins (profit)4 (2987.50)Continuous losses (loss)3 (-2281.00)
MaximumContinuous Profit (number of wins)2987.50 (4)Continuous loss (number of losses)-2281.00 (3)
Averagecontinuous winnings2Continuous loss1

TimeTypeOrderVolumePriceS / LT / PProfitBalance
12011.01.03 01:00sell10.501.557021.572021.54202
22011.01.07 09:00t/p10.501.542021.572021.54202740.7010740.70
32011.01.07 17:00sell20.501.556841.571841.54184
42011.01.12 18:00s/l20.501.571841.571841.54184-754.659986.05
52011.01.21 18:00sell30.501.599391.614391.58439
62011.01.25 11:00t/p30.501.584391.614391.58439746.9010732.95
72011.01.25 20:00buy40.501.582671.567671.59767
82011.01.27 15:00t/p40.501.597671.567671.59767747.8011480.75
92011.01.28 18:00buy50.501.583941.568941.59894
102011.01.31 17:00t/p50.501.598941.568941.59894749.4512230.20
112011.01.31 17:00sell60.501.601491.616491.58649
122011.02.01 22:00s/l60.501.616491.616491.58649-751.5511478.65
132011.02.07 10:00sell70.501.616761.631761.60176
142011.02.10 15:00t/p70.501.601761.631761.60176742.2512220.90
152011.02.10 18:00sell80.501.612931.627931.59793
162011.02.11 12:00t/p80.501.597931.627931.59793748.4512969.35
172011.02.15 15:00sell90.501.615471.630471.60047
182011.02.16 15:00t/p90.501.600471.630471.60047748.4513717.80
192011.02.16 15:00buy100.501.600841.585841.61584
202011.02.17 16:00t/p100.501.615841.585841.61584748.3514466.15
212011.02.17 16:00sell110.501.615741.630741.60074
222011.03.01 10:00s/l110.501.630741.630741.60074-765.5013700.65
232011.03.04 10:00buy120.501.624251.609251.63925
242011.03.10 15:00s/l120.501.609251.609251.63925-753.3012947.35
252011.03.10 15:00buy130.501.608851.593851.62385
262011.03.18 19:00t/p130.501.623851.593851.62385745.6013692.95
272011.03.23 12:00buy140.501.629361.614361.64436
282011.03.24 15:00s/l140.501.614361.614361.64436-751.6512941.30
292011.03.30 20:00sell150.501.606281.621281.59128
302011.04.05 11:00s/l150.501.621281.621281.59128-759.3012182.00
312011.04.12 05:00buy160.501.629981.614981.64498
322011.04.21 08:00t/p160.501.644981.614981.64498743.9512925.95
332011.04.25 17:00buy170.501.647191.632191.66219
342011.04.27 22:00t/p170.501.662191.632191.66219748.9013674.85
352011.05.03 04:00buy180.501.662121.647121.67712
362011.05.03 14:00s/l180.501.647121.647121.67712-750.0012924.85
372011.05.05 16:00buy190.501.646151.631151.66115
382011.05.09 17:00s/l190.501.631151.631151.66115-751.1012173.75
392011.05.11 13:00sell200.501.646781.661781.63178
402011.05.12 10:00t/p200.501.631781.661781.63178745.3512919.10
412011.05.12 10:00buy210.501.632211.617211.64721
422011.05.13 20:00s/l210.501.617211.617211.64721-750.5512168.55
432011.05.17 12:00sell220.501.628531.643531.61353
442011.05.18 16:00t/p220.501.613531.643531.61353748.4512917.00
452011.05.18 16:00buy230.501.612241.597241.62724
462011.05.20 12:00t/p230.501.627241.597241.62724747.8013664.80
472011.05.23 11:00buy240.501.615181.600181.63018
482011.05.26 04:00t/p240.501.630181.600181.63018747.2514412.05
492011.05.31 19:00buy250.501.644121.629121.65912
502011.06.03 13:00s/l250.501.629121.629121.65912-752.7513659.30
512011.06.03 20:00sell260.501.642251.657251.62725
522011.06.10 11:00t/p260.501.627251.657251.62725739.1514398.45
532011.06.13 16:00sell270.501.633341.648341.61834
542011.06.15 21:00t/p270.501.618341.648341.61834746.9015145.35
552011.06.22 12:00buy280.501.615971.600971.63097
562011.06.23 12:00s/l280.501.600971.600971.63097-751.6514393.70
572011.06.30 13:00buy290.501.598311.583311.61331
582011.07.04 10:00t/p290.501.613311.583311.61331748.9015142.60
592011.07.05 10:00buy300.501.600781.585781.61578
602011.07.12 09:00s/l300.501.585781.585781.61578-753.8514388.75
612011.07.13 18:00sell310.501.608361.623361.59336
622011.07.21 16:00s/l310.501.623361.623361.59336-765.5013623.25
632011.07.26 07:00sell320.501.633711.648711.61871
642011.08.09 19:00t/p320.501.618711.648711.61871728.3014351.55
652011.08.19 18:00sell330.501.656971.671971.64197
662011.08.24 17:00t/p330.501.641971.671971.64197745.3515096.90
672011.08.24 18:00buy340.501.640351.625351.65535
682011.08.26 15:00s/l340.501.625351.625351.65535-752.2014344.70
692011.08.29 09:00sell350.501.638851.653851.62385
702011.08.31 23:00t/p350.501.623851.653851.62385746.9015091.60
712011.09.08 18:00sell360.501.606771.621771.59177
722011.09.09 13:00t/p360.501.591771.621771.59177748.4515840.05
732011.09.09 18:00buy370.501.589631.574631.60463
742011.09.14 08:00s/l370.501.574631.574631.60463-751.6515088.40
752011.09.15 14:00sell380.501.583421.598421.56842
762011.09.19 17:00t/p380.501.568421.598421.56842746.9015835.30
772011.09.21 14:00buy390.501.566421.551421.58142
782011.09.22 00:00s/l390.501.551421.551421.58142-751.6515083.65
792011.09.29 03:00buy400.501.555181.540181.57018
802011.09.29 17:00t/p400.501.570181.540181.57018750.0015833.65
812011.09.30 10:00buy410.501.555981.540981.57098
822011.10.04 11:00s/l410.501.540981.540981.57098-751.1015082.55
832011.10.06 09:00buy420.501.540531.525531.55553
842011.10.07 16:00t/p420.501.555531.525531.55553749.4515832.00
852011.10.07 20:00sell430.501.555881.570881.54088
862011.10.12 13:00s/l430.501.570881.570881.54088-754.6515077.35
872011.10.12 13:00sell440.501.576981.591981.56198
882011.10.21 15:00s/l440.501.591981.591981.56198-767.0514310.30
892011.10.21 15:00sell450.501.590751.605751.57575
902011.10.27 17:00s/l450.501.605751.605751.57575-759.3013551.00
912011.10.27 18:00sell460.501.605941.620941.59094
922011.11.01 14:00t/p460.501.590941.620941.59094745.3514296.35
932011.11.01 22:00buy470.501.594621.579621.60962
942011.11.03 23:59close at stop470.501.603291.579621.60962431.3014727.65
 
So what's the problem?
 
paukas:
What is the problem?

If you think that the technical analysis has an error, you may use a different terminal and the same indicator shows with an error, i.e. it is not equal. All depends on the date of coming quotes, so the technical analysis is inaccurate and for example on a desktop PC you start testing and everything is OK and then you put it on the server and it is the opposite. It is not an easy task to some extent as well. So, there are only pitfalls.
Reason: