Here's the investment.... (what happens next...?) Trading has become quite different from the initial period not for the better... (and there are objective reasons - the passions of soul sickness)
Tantrik: Here's the investment.... (what's next...?) Trading has become quite different from the initial period not for the better... (and there are objective reasons - soul sickness passions)
Yes. This is all understandable... Forming a portfolio... Moving on.
Investors do not seem to have a very clear understanding of deposit load: many of them say that a maximum load of 30% indicates that the MC was still "oh so far away". This is not entirely true - especially in this particular situation.
Deposit load = Deposit / Equity * 100%.
If we take, for example, a 1000-bucks deposit and open a 0.1 lots position on EURUSD, the initial deposit load will be approximately 14.3%.
How many pips does EURUSD have to run against the position for the load to become 30%? Let's calculate: Deposit (143) / Equity * 100% = 30%. Hence, Equity = 143 * 100/30 = 477. So, the current loss is equal to 1,000 - 477 = 523 pips!
And for 50%? 714 points.
For 100% - 857 pips.
For stop out (500%) it's 971 pips.
Something I do not understand the definition of deposit load...
After all, at 523 pips minus in this example, the drawdown will already be more than 52% ! And the "load" is still 30% ?
Why is the load is calculated in a more forgiving way than the drawdown?
the ratio of collateral to equity - that's understandable...
But why is it more convenient and clearer than the loss/deposit ratio... although what difference does it make how you count losses, by load or by drawdown... :))))
It's not more convenient than that. It can even be disorienting - because of the non-linearity. Which is exactly what happened in the Unsinkable thread...
Mathemat: It's not more convenient than that. It can even be disorienting - because of the non-linearity. Which is exactly what happened in the Unsinkable thread...
Alexei, there's no nerdiness. Everything is in order. You got it right: "There was only a little over 300 pips before the depo collapse. And EURCHF on August 9 went more than 6 figures from the opening of the day to the lowest point."
For my part I would like to add the following, from the words of the host of club days in DC "A.....and" dedicated to PAMM accounts, a specialist Sergei Rizhavin, the picture is as follows - this is about the profitability and loading a PAMM account manager deposit: 20-25% - loading DEP is the norm, with 100% loading DEP, enough to 100 real points to lose or double the DEP, with 50% loading - 200 points, with 30% loading DEP - 300 points - either lose or double the DEP.
The only thing is that they are in a hurry with the pictures ... :-)))), so to speak, they anticipated events ... :-))
Here's a picture (today...:-)))) looks much better:
Expect a surfacing with a slight take-off phase... :-))) With the downloading of the dep at the moment around 4%.
Do you think it is possible to have a crazy and endless equity growth of the 100-1000-10000% per month type? Is it possible to go from $100 or $1000 to tens of millions, or is it just a dream? Are there any traders who are making huge amounts of money all the time?
I want to go back to the very beginning of this conversation.
I believe that it is quite possible.
In order to reach 1000% over the course of a year, it is sufficient to take a profit of 1% of the deposit per day. For a deposit of 1,000 units. - it is only 10 units of profit per day. (For 10000% per annum you need a daily profit of 2% of the deposit).
The number of currency pairs offered by the dealers allows you to choose a pair (or pairs), which can provide a guaranteed desired profit every day.
Is it possible to program an Expert Advisor to look through all pairs and select a decent one for further work with it - I think it is possible, and this task is hardly unrealizable for a good programmer.
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Ahhhh...:-), I see now.
Here's the investment.... (what's next...?) Trading has become quite different from the initial period not for the better... (and there are objective reasons - soul sickness passions)
Yes. This is all understandable... Forming a portfolio... Moving on.
Investors do not seem to have a very clear understanding of deposit load: many of them say that a maximum load of 30% indicates that the MC was still "oh so far away". This is not entirely true - especially in this particular situation.
Deposit load = Deposit / Equity * 100%.
If we take, for example, a 1000-bucks deposit and open a 0.1 lots position on EURUSD, the initial deposit load will be approximately 14.3%.
How many pips does EURUSD have to run against the position for the load to become 30%? Let's calculate: Deposit (143) / Equity * 100% = 30%. Hence, Equity = 143 * 100/30 = 477. So, the current loss is equal to 1,000 - 477 = 523 pips!
And for 50%? 714 points.
For 100% - 857 pips.
For stop out (500%) it's 971 pips.
Something I do not understand the definition of deposit load...
After all, at 523 pips minus in this example, the drawdown will already be more than 52% ! And the "load" is still 30% ?
Why is the load is calculated in a more forgiving way than the drawdown?
Because it is a load, not a drawdown. And it depends on the points against the position in a highly non-linear way, unlike drawdown.
And the load can be greater than 100%, by the way.
Because it is a load, not a drawdown. And it depends on points against the position in a very non-linear way, unlike drawdown.
25 again :))
that's what i'm asking you to explain what loading is, please. its practical meaning.
the ratio of collateral to equity - that's understandable...
But why is it more convenient and clearer than the loss/deposit ratio... although what difference does it make how you count losses, by load or by drawdown... :))))
It's not more convenient than that. It can even be disorienting - because of the non-linearity. Which is exactly what happened in the Unsinkable thread...
...
Apologies for the nerdiness.
Alexei, there's no nerdiness. Everything is in order. You got it right: "There was only a little over 300 pips before the depo collapse. And EURCHF on August 9 went more than 6 figures from the opening of the day to the lowest point."
For my part I would like to add the following, from the words of the host of club days in DC "A.....and" dedicated to PAMM accounts, a specialist Sergei Rizhavin, the picture is as follows - this is about the profitability and loading a PAMM account manager deposit: 20-25% - loading DEP is the norm, with 100% loading DEP, enough to 100 real points to lose or double the DEP, with 50% loading - 200 points, with 30% loading DEP - 300 points - either lose or double the DEP.
The only thing is that they are in a hurry with the pictures ... :-)))), so to speak, they anticipated events ... :-))
Here's a picture (today...:-)))) looks much better:
Expect a surfacing with a slight take-off phase... :-))) With the downloading of the dep at the moment around 4%.
Do you think it is possible to have a crazy and endless equity growth of the 100-1000-10000% per month type? Is it possible to go from $100 or $1000 to tens of millions, or is it just a dream? Are there any traders who are making huge amounts of money all the time?
I want to go back to the very beginning of this conversation.
I believe that it is quite possible.
In order to reach 1000% over the course of a year, it is sufficient to take a profit of 1% of the deposit per day. For a deposit of 1,000 units. - it is only 10 units of profit per day. (For 10000% per annum you need a daily profit of 2% of the deposit).
The number of currency pairs offered by the dealers allows you to choose a pair (or pairs), which can provide a guaranteed desired profit every day.
Is it possible to program an Expert Advisor to look through all pairs and select a decent one for further work with it - I think it is possible, and this task is hardly unrealizable for a good programmer.