"When Gold Goes Above 1430 We Whack It"

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Mladen Rakic
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As it goes in silver, so it goes in gold. In London at least. 

In a bid to have UBS reinstated as a defendant in a London Gold Fix antitrust lawsuit, plaintiffs documents submitted to a New York Court last week include explosive chat room transcripts of UBS and traders from different banks encouraging each other to “push,” “smack,” and “whack” gold prices.

The transcripts are equally as startling as those described of banks of the London Silver Fix and UBS given to the court the previous day and described last week in this article.

On December 6th attorneys for plaintiffs in a consolidated class action against banks of the London Gold Fix and UBS, asked the court for leave to amend with a Third Amended Complaint. The TAC includes additional facts based on a “limited set of cooperation materials” produced by former defendant Deutsche Bank, as part of a settlement agreement and further statistical analysis.

Supporting documents say the amended complaint addresses the Court’s October finding that the previous complaint failed to plausibly plead firstly that UBS was part of the antitrust conspiracy, and secondly that the conspiracy existed prior to 2006.

Also, for the first time a gold producer has been added to the class action of those claiming losses in gold trading due to the manipulation. Compania Minera Dayton, SCM the Chilean subsidiary of Australian resources company Lachlan Star is said to have “sold gold on many of the specific days on which Plaintiffs demonstrated manipulation of gold investments” totaling $287.4 million over the period 2004 to 2013.

In support of allegations that UBS shared customer order information and executed coordinated trades to manipulate gold markets, samples of “dozens” of chat room messages between UBS and Deutsche Bank are contained in the revised document indicating "many efforts to artificially suppress gold prices, and to manipulate gold prices at the time of the Fixing.”

Filings include the following script reminiscent of an 1980’s arcade game scene. Rather than competing for business in the marketplace, supposed competitors UBS and Deutsche Bank however are seen coordinating tactics as they anticipate the most illiquid of days to jointly execute their sell orders for greatest negative impact on the market.

Deutsche Bank: bro japan holiday today

 

Deutsche Bank: think it’ll be quiet

 

Deutsche Bank: well, illiquid, not quiet haha

 

Deutsche Bank: illiquid means wild wild west

 

UBS:okay when gold pops 1430

 

UBS: we whack it

 

UBS: u sell your 50k

 

UBS: i sell my 20k

 

UBS: then we double that up and produce our on liquidity too

 

UBS: that should be enough to cap it on a holiday

 

Deutsche Bank: haha yeah

 

Deutsche Bank: lol


One chat see's a Deutsche Bank trader confirming with a UBS trader his trading had indeed influenced the Gold Fix: “u just said u sold on fix.”  The UBS traded replied “yeah,” “we smashed it good.”

The secret associations between traders appear to be close knit, with the members willing to assist their opposite numbers at every chance: UBS “im feeling helpful to ubs today.”  The UBS trader then said “need to push this back wer,” to which the Deutsche Bank trader replied “ok,” and “lets do it.”

Counter-intuitively, the banks special penchant to suppress the price of gold is repeated throughout the examples. As the gold ticker rose on this occasion the indignant traders teamed up to push it back down, commending themselves sarcastically meanwhile.

Deutsche Bank: someone still trying to push our gold up

 

UBS: so u should pay the mkt right away

 

Deutsche Bank: nope

 

UBS: cause chances are someone else got hit and u f*ck them up

 

Deutsche Bank: no touchy

 

Deutsche Bank: im short 15k

 

Deutsche Bank: xau

 

Deutsche Bank: too much fire

 

UBS: im gonna sell more silver and gold

 

Deutsche Bank: k

 

Deutsche Bank: i really think we are on the right side today, being short

Not only are they pushing the market down but also there appears to be intent to harm client interests as the November 2014 FINMA investigation loosely reported.

Here a UBS trader gives information to a Deutsche Bank trader about a client’s order query on Nov 16th 2010, and strategizes to punish them by whacking the price lower if purchased from another party.

UBS: boc sniffing around in gold

 

Deutsche Bank: likewise

 

Deutsche Bank: passed my bid

 

Deutsche Bank: dude

 

Deutsche Bank: so their round

 

Deutsche Bank: is from u

 

Deutsche Bank: to me

 

Deutsche Bank: haha

 

UBS: not always

 

UBS: anyway good to give each other heads up

 

UBS: if we find out side, whack it

 

Deutsche Bank: yeah


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-16/when-gold-goes-above-1430-we-whack-it

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So much about not rigged market
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