Machine learning in trading: theory, models, practice and algo-trading - page 3099

 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:
Let it be known that MO ts are no different from the rest, the success rate is on average the same (about zero, but sometimes ploughs on)

Imho of course, but even with or without MO, in order to build a stable working TS, you need to have at least a rough model of the pricing process on the traded financial asset. And within the framework of this model, using its peculiarities, build the TS. Otherwise, building a TS, in my opinion, resembles shooting at a sparrow with blindfolded eyes and closed ears.

 
sibirqk #:

Imho of course, but with or without MO, in order to build a stable working TC.

That's right, you need a model
 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:
Malevich, come on.

Just getting a signal is only 10% of the work.

There's a lot more.

For example, you have to realise that a quoter doesn't want his money to be squeezed.

But it's not worth it to hope for a real success if you show a nice steight.

system will work successfully only if the quoter realises that by counteracting the TSK, traders' incomes increase enormously on the market.....

then and only then can we make plans for the future.

 
sibirqk #:

Imho of course, but even with or without MO, in order to build a stable working TS, it is necessary to have at least a rough model of the pricing process on the traded financial asset. And within the framework of this model, using its peculiarities, build the TS. Otherwise, building a TS, in my opinion, resembles shooting at a sparrow with blindfolded eyes and closed ears.

Even within the framework of the simplest currencies of developing countries it is practically unrealisable, there are too many parameters and there are difficulties in their formalisation)))), and the task of currency pricing model as an asset is already more than 200 years old))))) So far the solutions are private and only for a short period of time. And after this term new hypotheses appear, cancelling in some part the old ones)))))

 
sibirqk #:

Imho of course, but even with or without MO, in order to build a stable working TS, it is necessary to have at least a rough model of the pricing process on the traded financial asset. And within the framework of this model, using its peculiarities, build the TS. Otherwise, building a TS, in my opinion, resembles shooting at a sparrow with blindfolded eyes and closed ears.

What's wrong with sb
 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:
What's wrong with sb

)))) +

Good model)

 
Valeriy Yastremskiy #:

Even within the framework of the simplest currencies of developing countries it is practically unrealisable, so far there are too many parameters and there are difficulties in their formalisation)))), and the problem of model of currency pricing as an asset is already more than 200 years old)))) So far the solutions are private and only for a short period of time. And after this term new hypotheses appear, cancelling in some part the old ones)))))

Of course we are not talking about precise quantitative models. Otherwise, there would be no point in further creation of TS - build such a model for the ruble, calculate how the exchange rate will change for the next couple of years and sit under the sun, on the beach, somewhere in Bali.
The point was to create at least a rough qualitative model of pricing on financial assets and based on it to create TS, at least using MO methods, at least inventing something from your own head.

 
Maxim Dmitrievsky #:
What's wrong with the SB

The very first rough approximation to such a model is naturally the SB. But, the SB generated by a symmetric coin has a) no thick tails b) no non-stationarity in returns. Besides, trading on the SB, a priori implies the impossibility of making profit in the presence of spread.

Accordingly, a more accurate approximation to such a qualitative model of pricing on a financial asset should have, first of all, some small economic justification, lead to the appearance of thick tails and non-stationarity in returns. Well, and at least in theory allow to make profit.

Imho of course.

 
sibirqk #:

The very first rough approximation to such a model is naturally the SB. But, the SB generated by a symmetric coin has a) no thick tails b) no non-stationarity in returns. Besides, trading on the SB, a priori implies the impossibility of making profit in the presence of spread.

Accordingly, a more accurate approximation to such a qualitative model of pricing on a financial asset should have, first of all, some small economic justification, lead to the appearance of thick tails and non-stationarity in returns. Well, and at least in theory allow to get profit.

Imho of course.

Well, thick tails are due to uneven volatility (wave clustering), depending on the trading session. They don't seem to carry any other information. I look at markets as more or less efficient. Accordingly, the task is to search for inefficiencies. It is hard to say what model it can be put into. Because they appear here and there.
Either some complicated econometric model, but these are usually investment strategies. And for scalping, either arbitrage or optimised TSs.
A trained MOSHka itself contains both useful information and noise. You can train it once on quotes and then study this model. This is also an option. Without fanaticism and hooting like IO has created a grail. Just explore and pull out the unexplored.
 
sibirqk #:

Of course, we are not talking about precise quantitative models. Otherwise, there would be no point in further creation of TS - build such a model for the ruble, calculate how the exchange rate will change for the next couple of years and sit under the sun, on the beach, somewhere in Bali.
The point was to create at least a rough qualitative model of pricing on financial assets and based on it to create TS, at least using MO methods, at least inventing something from your own head.

Calculation of a fair price or rate)))))) That's the problem with it).

With shares it is easier, and there is more literature)

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